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    I don't think we can condemn either team to the "boring" bucket this year, because we haven't seen the programs yet! I am hoping for all kinds of awesomeness from both

    The musical pieces for V&M's FD are long pieces, and whether the music is riveting or boring depends partly on your personal taste, and partially on which cuts are used. Over at FSU, a musician named CatherineC from Riga, Latvia, has the following advice about V&M's music:

    About Glazunov's piece I'll say honestly - beginning IS a bit boring. Try to start listening around ~10:00 mark, there music is more familiar, it's happy, has a lot of waltzes...

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    Scriabin - what can I say - take some red roses, eat some dark chocolate, go to the 5:20 mark and enjoy.
    I intend to take this advice!

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    Glazunov? They're doing Glazunov? Which piece--The Seasons? There are stretches of this work that are quite wonderful, and as CatherineC points out, there are variations in tempo that can be delightful. I have a recollection of Kristi doing a short program to part of this piece for a pro competition, but overall it's not a composition that's been used to death by senior skaters. Glazunov is a wonderful orchestrator. He was a student of Rimsky-Korsakov, one of the best orchestral colorists ever.

    Scriabin I'm not so familiar with. He can be kind of misty and shapeless, as I recall. But this program could turn out to be really fascinating and innovative. I'm so glad V/M's "designers" are choosing such unconventional music. I don't think I've ever seen anyone skate to Scriabin.

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    Japan's Yuzuru Hanyu led the men at 2011 Nebelhorn Trophy after his performance to Scriabin's Etude in D minor, op. 8 no. 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Japan's Yuzuru Hanyu led the men at 2011 Nebelhorn Trophy after his performance to Scriabin's Etude in D minor, op. 8 no. 12.
    Wow! Thanks, Doris! I didn't know, and it impresses me that Hanyu would take on an off-the-road composer like Scriabin. This is a guy who doesn't even get much airplay on my regional classical radio stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    Their choices seem very safe to me. To overwhelm their judges they'll have to work that much harder. They've seen them do these type of dances so many times before. But who knows maybe they'll give these programs a fresh twist.
    True but compared to Davis and White who always played it safe and had a limited repertoire they should be rewarded more. They won't because of the rules but d and w have played it far safer for years.

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    Not in the SDs they haven't. Both Giselle and Bollywood were risky. And the Amelie program they planned for the Golden Waltz was risky enough (but not musically risky), that USFSA wouldn't let them do it and they did a rather standard La Boheme & La Traviata. For that matter, Latin club music rather than standard Latin stuff was more risky, in the SD they did that was dominated by "On The Floor by JLo (in Spanish), and for that matter, their Charleston number to Happy Feet
    by Jack Yellen and Milton Ager, and a 20's Piano original composition by Joe Laduke, had it's risks, too. As in whoever heard of Joe Laduke? You have to go back to the 2007-2008 season to find them doing something old standard for an OP/SD.

    It's in their FD's that they have been less adventurous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Not in the SDs they haven't. Both Giselle and Bollywood were risky. And the Amelie program they planned for the Golden Waltz was risky enough (but not musically risky), that USFSA wouldn't let them do it and they did a rather standard La Boheme & La Traviata. For that matter, Latin club music rather than standard Latin stuff was more risky, in the SD they did that was dominated by "On The Floor by JLo (in Spanish), and for that matter, their Charleston number to Happy Feet
    by Jack Yellen and Milton Ager, and a 20's Piano original composition by Joe Laduke, had it's risks, too. As in whoever heard of Joe Laduke? You have to go back to the 2007-2008 season to find them doing something old standard for an OP/SD.

    It's in their FD's that they have been less adventurous.
    Good points, Doris.

    I am bothered by the idea that people should only be rewarded to playing it safe artistically. What about technically or in other aspects of Ice Dance?

    If Davis and White were playing it safe, as some claim, on the whole, they would not win. Given the level of competition that Virtue and Moir has provided to Davis and White, there's no way that Davis and White could rest on any laurels. Since the Olympics, they have challenged themselves to improve because they have too. Some of those lifts, literally, are not safe!

    Both teams have advanced the sport in their own way. You can't advance the sport by playing it safe, be it artistically or technically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladskater View Post
    I have not posted or checked any posts for awhile here at Golden Skate, so I don't know if anyone else has posted this. Anyway, I just heard this news on the radio today - Virtue and Moir are making a six part tv show this winter about their preparation for the upcoming Olympics in Sochi.
    As long as it doesn't somehow be an unlucky move (due to being preoccupied with the making of the documentary/filming/promotion) I am sure it will be fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    As long as it doesn't somehow be an unlucky move (due to being preoccupied with the making of the documentary/filming/promotion) I am sure it will be fantastic.
    VM have reached the point in their career where they can pretty well decide to do what they want. If the film gives them joy so be it. Very few dancers have been on the world podium six years in a row. Even on their first senior world outing they were a remarkable 6th.
    I spent some time listening to the Seasons this evening and I am confident it will be a glorious program. Catherine gave us her gut reaction of the beginning....the music used will depend on the cuts.

    DW programs, lifts and twizzles are very repetitive. I guess since their lines are inferior to VM they have to hone up on what they can do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    they dont have the speed of D/W
    finnstep will make them turtles compared to D/W, I dont see how they can top D/W
    the Canadian overscoring for V/M, Osmond and Chan Fraud wont do in Sochi
    Overscoring and fraud as it does not suit your opinion or your sourgrape attitude?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle
    As long as it doesn't somehow be an unlucky move (due to being preoccupied with the making of the documentary/filming/promotion) I am sure it will be fantastic.
    V&M are not recent amateurs. I am confident they have good time management skills in filming documentaries and practices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    the Canadian overscoring for V/M, Osmond and Chan Fraud wont do in Sochi
    Don't count on it! It will happen in Sochi too. What makes you think that Canadians only score for the competitions on their own land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    Overscoring and fraud as it does not suit your opinion or your sourgrape attitude?
    nor does it for your beloved Chanflated Fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Good points, Doris.

    I am bothered by the idea that people should only be rewarded to playing it safe artistically. What about technically or in other aspects of Ice Dance?

    If Davis and White were playing it safe, as some claim, on the whole, they would not win. Given the level of competition that Virtue and Moir has provided to Davis and White, there's no way that Davis and White could rest on any laurels. Since the Olympics, they have challenged themselves to improve because they have too. Some of those lifts, literally, are not safe!

    Both teams have advanced the sport in their own way. You can't advance the sport by playing it safe, be it artistically or technically.
    Ah the talk was about D and W choice of music and interpretation. V and W have taken far more risks but there is no bonus system for diversity or difficulty that way so D and W cna play it safe musically ; techincally they have to push. We'll see if V and M can challenge - I hope so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Don't count on it! It will happen in Sochi too. What makes you think that Canadians only score for the competitions on their own land?
    Oh good grief. Why not start another war!!!!!!

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    D/W have connections to music?! lol, every single time they use dramastic music to carry them and the audience, while V/M bring various music to life and move the audience, there is a difference, people!

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