So true of their free dances. Their programs are interchangeable if you substitute the music ....so much for their connection.
Originally Posted by apple123
Wicked Yankee Girl
What do you think then that those people in the yellow Virtue & Moir T-shirts were doing giving D&W a standing ovation for their Giselle SD in London, Ontario? V&M had not skated yet. Do you think that was because they had bad choreo, performance, and interpretation?
More yellow shirts giving D&W a standing ovation after their FD; V&M had skated their Carmen brilliantly just before.
Again why do you think they are standing?
It is never wise to underestimate your biggest competitors.
And frankly, I fail to see how a tango club dance to movie soundtracks (Il Postino 2011) a period piece grand ball theme to classical music (Strauss) (Die Fledermaus 2012) and a French-Canadian musical (Notre Dame de Paris 2013) are particularly similar.
Yes, NDdP is similar to Phantom 2010 in concept.
Last edited by dorispulaski; 08-07-2013 at 06:44 AM.
i think that's an unfair statement. D/W do have connection with their music- they listen to the music and skate accordingly, and they're pretty good at getting certain moods and stories across. I adore their "Die Flaudermaus" FD and really enjoyed their Bollywood OD, Giselle SD and even their Latin SD. They don't have the same level of sensitivity and nuance that V/M have, and I don't think they could ever give us anything quite so exquisite as V/M's Mahler FD, but to say that D/W have no connection to music but depend upon dramatic music to carry them is rather harsh call IMO...
Originally Posted by apple123
ETA: Sorry for going a bit off topic! Back to the topic- I'm sure V/M will be fine when it comes to balancing training and the making of this documentary/film, and I hope that I can get legal access to it as an Australian! I'd be keen to watch it.
I love both couples, but even if I didn't love one of them, I would admire that couple. How does it make V/M look better to classify D/W as substandard in some way? Personal preference is one thing, but clearly both of these teams are skating to an extraordinarily high standard. They're not going to be exactly the same, because they're not robots. Thank goodness for that!
Doris, we do that because we are polite Canadians. I was one of those in a yellow shirt who stood up. We are also known for giving every dog his due. D&W are worthy of a standing O when they skate well. But that doesnt take away the fact that their twizzles are repetitive, they reuse lifts and there is a robotic quality to their skating. Also they are far from adventurous when it comes to selection of Free Dances.
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
These are both very good teams that appeal to very different tastes. What I cannot appreciate, while I understand how it is calculated is when V/M's PCS marks are so close to that for D/W. Take a look at their worlds performances and look at the nuances, body line, toe point, interaction between partners, ease of movement of just say Scott. When you look at Charlie you do not see these qualities but rather an athlete focused on completing his elements. There are precious few moments when Charlie actually invests himself in the emotions required for the dance. How then can the PCS be the same, in my opinion as a dancer? The simple answer is the construction of the PCS mark in COP! COP IMHO, has taken away the essence of dance and made it about the impressive execution of elements. Seeing that COP may not change in the near future, I am hoping that a team will come along that will combine beautifully the best attributes of both V/M and D/W.
I'll never warm up to Charlie White either.
the Golden Era
yawn, typical V/M ubers who resort to D/W are just good in "technical elements"
whats so groundbreaking about V/M even if you rate them on pcs ?
they play the same role on a very safe and boring programs
I'd watch D/W anyday and they are finally getting the scores they deserve despite Moirs diva rants
V/M ubers just cannot see things from a balanced viewpoint. In their minds, V/M are just the greatest ice dancers ever and simply can do no wrong. The ubers think no one can ever come close to V/M and really shouldn't even bother trying. I feel that D/W fans in general are not like this. They may prefer D/W, but are not so vehement and absolutist in their comments. IMO.
Originally Posted by sky_fly20
Huge Scott Moir Fan
This is supposed to be able Virtue and Moir. Not ice dancers or Davis and White. Can we leave them out of this and stop starting wars between the two?
Gambatte, Max Aaron/"No letting off the gas pedal"
The Olympic season can't start soon enough we're beginning to foam at the mouth and it isn't looking pretty. But you know who doesn't love a good water war every now and again. Hehehe......
You said it Bram!
Originally Posted by bramweld
Well we will get a first glance of VM this weekend and I for one cannot wait!
emdee, I'm afraid I'm missing the "polite" in all your snarks about D/W; to wit, on this thread alone, "So true of their free dances. Their programs are interchangeable if you substitute the music ....so much for their connection." And of course the pretends-to-be-balanced comment: "DW programs, lifts and twizzles are very repetitive. I guess since their lines are inferior to VM they have to hone up on what they can do well. " Umm, right, as though no other skaters ever emphasize what they do well in their programs?