My two cents (I didn't see anyone answer it): a lack of edge, in other words flat edge is also a wrong edge, that's probably the one thing that may cause some misunderstandigs. It would be logical to call lutz a flutz only if it was done on an inside and flip a lip only when on outside. I think it's rare with lutzes to be done on flat edge but it happens with flips. I'm guessing that when a skater is doing a three-turn that's not so curved (happens when skating faster and the 3turn is longer and flatter rather than circular) the inside edge is not deep and happens to be flat, which may be a reason Yuna rarely lipped. But still I wouldn't call Ito's lutz a flutz. Someone said the edge just flattens a bit but is still on the outside and I share this view. Still, the videos quality are not perfect and it's more of a guessing than actual facts, knowledge, whatever. The place when the leg is hitting the ice is veering into a non-outside, that's true but it's not impossible for it to be on outside.
Originally Posted by Krislite
other topic: some people say they like prolonged entrances to lutzes but it does make them easier to do when glading through half a rink on an outside edge rather than when doing ina-bauer or a spiral right before them. Shizuka had one of the most intricate entrances with the biellmann spiral before her 3lutz-2loop in the 2005 sp.
Originally Posted by mateusp1
Is that just a random list or in order. Since if it is in order there is no way Tuktamysheva has a better lutz than Gold.
It is a random list.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
i wish Joannie would come back but I guess it is not to be. She ahd a nice style; she wasn't the overly princess types we see time again and again. Her jumps and speed and transitions were really first rate; I don't think it was appreciated.
funny Chouinard, Manley and Rochette are all Canadians known for crumbling but when they are on their triple lutzes are the best and their jumps huge - great power and amplitude that they make consistent jumpers like Michelle Kwan look kind of blah. Nothing against Kwan but her jumps whil usually landed weren't of the power and oomph of these ladies when on..
Originally Posted by sgower
Yes, Skater Boy, the Canadian ladies you mention had wonderful jumps when they could jump. Manley had the skate of her life in Calgary and Rochette attained a high level of excellence at last, in time for Vancouver, but Chouinard never had the satisfaction of an Olympic medal. I did notice, though, that when Josée skated well, she really flew!
Michelle's jumps weren't the biggest, but her skating was never blah to me. The way she put everything together, her smoothness and lightness, and her musicality made her electric for me. You may have a different take on it, but I feel that though she did not necessarily spring (especially compared to Slutskaya), she did float, both on the ice and in the air.
Six Point Zero
Here it is! Featuring Triple Lutz and Triple Lutz combos by Yuna Kim, Tonya Harding, Midori Ito, Julia Sebestyen, Liz Manley, Carolina Kostner, Miki Ando, Shizuka Arakawa and Irina Slutskaya.
Took a while, but I finally got around to it...
Yuna Kim - 3Lz+3T
Tonya Harding - 3Lz
Midori Ito - 3Lz+3T
Julia Sebestyen - 3Lz+2T
Liz Manley - 3Lz
Carolina Kostner - 3Lz
Miki Ando - 3Lz+3Lo
Shizuka Arakawa - 3Lz+3T+2Lo
Irina Slutskaya - 3Lz+3Lo