I've always loved Joannie Rochette's Lutz. She shows she can hold an outside edge. Her air position is good too.
wrong vs good Flip by ISU http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/...mode=recommend
Yuna's 13WC correct 3F which received 'e'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QXpR4FKNk (0:20~)
For the same her 3Fs, edge call in SP and +1.9 GOE in LP.
(The best GOE among 13WC Men's 3F or 3F-combo was +1.3 GOE on Brezina's LP 3F.)
And, thank you for this beautiful thread! We should have something like this for every triple/quadruple jumps, it's very interesting!
Wow...I forgot what an explosive jumper Tonya was! Her 3lz and 3lp were really awesome. Love (and miss) how skaters would hold out the landing edges and show extension with the free leg-feels more "complete" to me. Tonya was always billed as the athlete, but that clip of her 3lz really is beautiful.
I agree, though, that this is a splendid thread!
I think Gracie has a great triple lutz too especially when it comes to rotations. She rotates in the air as fast as anyone and is done rotating way before her blades even touch the ice again.
Girls with good Lutz.
1- Yuna Kim - Do not need to explain why;
2- Agnes Zawadzki - Great, I consider her lutz even better than Yuna's, because she can do difficult transitions before(steps, ina bauer). She also makes the jump look very easy, rotates very fast in the air, very tight position;
3- Elene Gedevanishvili - Great height, ice coverage, speed and flow. She also can put a fully rotated 3T after;
4- Valentina Marchei - Nice flow, height, clear outside edge;
5- Liza Tukt - Again, great execution, nice speed, flow;
6- Gracie Gold- Nice air position, can perform the jump with both arms above the head;
7- Miki Ando - Miki's strongest jump, looks easy. Her 3Lz+2Lo is very well executed.
If I had to choose the 3 best lutzes of girls that currently compete, I would say:
It is interesting to note that girls with great flip do not have a very consistent/great lutz. And girls with great lutz do not have a very consistent/great flip.
Except for Yu-Na. Which is why she does so well.
I agree that it's hard to imagine being able to talk about Harding's skating (even while praising it) without thinking of her scandals, that one in particular. I merely meant to point out that, insofar as one follows one's praise of Harding's skating abilities with a lament about how she "threw it all away" or some such, that is voluntary. It's certainly possible to discuss the merits of her skating without dredging up her various poor decisions. In my opinion, it's high time, which is one of the things I liked so much about Krislite's OP.
I see your point, Pepe, but it'll take me awhile before I can do that. But I am glad that we can praise Tonya's actual skating, because it was extraordinary, milestone skating. I remember in that last Nationals, before we knew that Nancy's attack had not been some random person, watching Harding and realizing that although she was known as a "power" skater, all her moves were finished and graceful. She had command of her body and the music in a way that only the top skaters do.
These days, with the availability of YouTube and the expertise of posters on GS, it's great to be able to analyze the excellence of past skaters as well as present ones and see what's possible in skating. But with Tonya, there's always her shadow, and if it's voluntary to bring it up, some of us plainly feel we must volunteer to do so. Largely this is because her actions led directly to her championship. If Nancy had been able to skate, Tonya would not have had such an easy path to the gold medal.
Talking about her actions when we bring up her skating is better than saying that her actions have made her name unmentionable in discussions of skating technique.
I always wondered if Oksana was a flutzer because when I went back to look at her Olympic programs I was amazed at the size of her lutz...still Tonya's Jurasic park lutz at nationals was amazing...as was Michelle Kwan's reaction