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    News Lysacek's road to Sochi starts to get serious

    (USA Today) COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — Behind closed curtains, U.S. Olympic figure skating hopefuls performed their short programs in front of thousands of empty seats at World Arena on Wednesday. There was no applause, but plenty of feedback.

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    "One of my greatest weapons against the competition this year is experience," Lysacek said. "I've been in almost every situation. I've been up, down, on the greatest highs and the lowest lows. … I have every silver, every gold, every bronze medal to prove it so I think those experiences will come in handy because of the ability to adapt is really crucial to success in the Olympics.

    "It's not like every competition. Obstacles come at you left and right, distractions come at you left and right. To learn how to adapt to them from prior experience is really crucial to success."
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    All the best Evan. You can do it! Wow... I like the idea of a face off between Plushenko and Evan. Men's figure skating is sooo exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
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    All the best Evan. You can do it! Wow... I like the idea of a face off between Plushenko and Evan. Men's figure skating is sooo exciting.
    I like it, too! And would be very exciting!

    Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0S8PNixg9E from 7:25 They don't hate each other..

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    If he's really starting to buckle down, I'll be eager to see the results. He still has the best international record of any active male skater in the U.S., maybe along with Johnny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    If he's really starting to buckle down, I'll be eager to see the results. He still has the best international record of any active male skater in the U.S., maybe along with Johnny.
    Weir is not in the same category with his one World bronze medal and no wins or other medals from major international competitions = Worlds/Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    If he's really starting to buckle down, I'll be eager to see the results. He still has the best international record of any active male skater in the U.S., maybe along with Johnny.
    Things have changed since 2010. And not competing for 3 years and expecting to just start where he left off isn't going to happen. And he's not getting any younger either.

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    "One of my greatest weapons against the competition this year is experience," Lysacek said. "I've been in almost every situation. I've been up, down, on the greatest highs and the lowest lows. … I have every silver, every gold, every bronze medal to prove it so I think those experiences will come in handy because of the ability to adapt is really crucial to success in the Olympics.

    "It's not like every competition. Obstacles come at you left and right, distractions come at you left and right. To learn how to adapt to them from prior experience is really crucial to success."
    All the best to Evan. He seems to have plenty of desire and knows how to work hard. HOWEVER, haven't BOTH Patrick Chan and Daisuke Takahashi been to the Olympics before too? Haven't they also had high highs and low lows? I know most skaters have an ego, but seriously? Evan talks like no other skater can have a meaningful Olympics. How much of a role might media spin play in what we're given here? Evan hasn't experienced competition in 3 years, whereas Chan, Takahashi, Fernandez, and others have been on the competitive scene ever since Vancouver. Hanyu is a relative newcomer, but he hasn't not competed for 3 years like Evan has. Evgeni Plushenko and Yu-Na Kim have at least competed sporadically since Vancouver. I am skeptical of how well Evan would place if he gets to Sochi, but it's figure skating, so in a sense you never quite know what will happen. This season will certainly be VERY interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    I like it, too! And would be very exciting!

    Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0S8PNixg9E from 7:25 They don't hate each other..
    does that award have anything to do with this website/forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bibi24 View Post
    does that award have anything to do with this website/forum?
    Nothing. But I'm sure many people think if they will be contenders again, then they will be enemies. Seems it isn't true.

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    getting into top 6 with the contenders he has, no way unless others implode of course
    he may think he is seeking redemption but Aaron is the No.1 American
    his chances of making the team is almost the same as Wier

    boring quadless Evan can try a quad but at least we'll get to see a rear view form him with that, lol

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    Lysacek's road to Sochi starts to get serious

    Here are the details of the quads (including Evan's) attempted in major international competitions in the four seasons leading up to Vancouver:
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...uad.html#tab=0
    What a difference it's been these last four years. I'd love to see an updated list.
    Last edited by dorispulaski; 08-31-2013 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ang709 View Post
    Here are the details of the quads (including Evan's) attempted in major international competitions in the four seasons leading up to Vancouver:
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...uad.html#tab=0
    What a difference it's been these last four years. I'd love to see an updated list.
    Thanks for the link - that was really interesting! And yes, I agree - so would I!

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    LOL it would probably take forever to make a chart like that now and maybe half an hour to get through!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    LOL it would probably take forever to make a chart like that now and maybe half an hour to get through!
    Yeah, it would probably have to be limited to the top 10 finishers from Worlds or something...

    Javi would have a much better rating now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ang709 View Post
    Here are the details of the quads (including Evan's) attempted in major international competitions in the four seasons leading up to Vancouver:
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...uad.html#tab=0
    What a difference it's been these last four years. I'd love to see an updated list.
    LOL it would probably take forever to make a chart like that now and maybe half an hour to get through!
    CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

    Using the top ten skaters of the most current World championships, quad attempts from 2010-2011 to present (A-level competitions, no National championships):

    # of attempts = how many times I saw 4__ in the protocols (i.e. I didn't assume that a solo 3T = planned 4T).

    1. Patrick Chan
      • # of attempts, success rate: 20/35 = 57.1%
      • With +GOE: [[20]] == 2010 SC FS (1), 2010 COR SP (1), 2010 GPF FS (1), 2011 WC SP (1), 2011 SC FS (2), 2011 TEB FS (2), 2012 4CC FS (2), 2012 WC FS (2), 2012 SC FS (1), 2012 COR FS (2), 2012 GPF SP (1), 2012 GPF FS (1), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (2)
      • With -GOE: [[15]] == 2010 SC SP (1), 2010 COR FS (1), 2010 GPF SP (1), 2011 WC FS (2), 2011 SC SP (1), 2011 TEB SP (1), 2011 GPF SP (1), 2011 GPF FS (2), 2012 4CC SP (1), 2012 WC SP (1), 2012 SC FS (1), 2012 COR SP (1), 2012 GPF FS (1)
    2. Denis Ten
      • # of attempts, success rate: 5/13 = 38.4%
      • With +GOE: [[4]] == 2012 WC FS (1), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1)
      • With 0 GOE: [[1]] == 2012 SC SP (1)
      • With -GOE: [[8]] == 2011 SC FS (1), 2011 TEB SP (1), 2012 4CC SP (1), 2012 4CC FS (1), 2012 SC FS (2), 2012 COR SP (1), 2011 SA FS (1)
    3. Javier Fernandez
      • # of attempts, success rate: 26/38 = 68.4%
      • With +GOE: [[26]] == 2010 SC FS (1), 2011 WC LP (1, T), 2011 COR SP (1), 2011 SC SP (1), 2011 SC FS (1, S), 2011 GPF SP (1), 2011 GPF FS (2), 2012 WC FS (1, T), 2012 NHK SP (1), 2012 NHK FS (1), 2012 SC SP (1), 2012 SC FS (2), 2012 GPF FS (3), 2011 EUR FS (1), 2012 EUR SP (1), 2012 EUR FS (1, S), 2013 EUR SP (1), 2013 EUR FS (2), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (2)
      • With -GOE: [[12]] == 2010 COR FS (1), 2011 COR FS (2), 2011 WC LP (1, S), 2011 SC FS (1, T), 2012 WC FS (1), 2012 WC FS (1, S), 2012 NHK FS (2), 2012 GPF SP (1), 2012 EUR FS (1, T), 2013 EUR SP (1)
    4. Yuzuru Hanyu
      • # of attempts, success rate: 15/24 = 62.5%
      • With +GOE: [[15]] == 2010 NHK FS (1), 2011 4CC SP (1), 2011 COC FS (1), 2011 GPF FS (1), 2012 NHK SP (1), 2012 SA SP (1), 2012 WC SP (1), 2012 WC FS (1), 2012 NHK FS (1, T), 2012 GPF SP (1), 2012 GPF FS (1), 2013 WC FS (1), 2013 4CC SP (1), 2013 4CC SP (1), 2010 SA FS (1)
      • With -GOE: [[9]] == 2011 COR SP (1), 2011 COR FS (1), 2011 COC SP (1), 2011 GPF SP (1), 2012 NHK FS (1, S), 2012 SA FS (2), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1)
    5. Kevin Reynolds (He attempted a 4Lo at least once.)
      • # of attempts, success rate: 38.9%
      • With +GOE: [[14]] == 2010 SC SP (2), 2010 SC FS (2), 2011 COC FS (2), 2012 4CC FS (1), 2012 WC (1), 2012 NHK FS (2), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 4CC FS (3)
      • With -GOE: [[22]] == 2011 4CC SP (2), 2011 4CC FS (2), 2011 WC SP (1), 2011 WC FS (2), 2011 TEB SP (1), 2011 COC SP (1), 2011 COC FS (2), 2012 4CC SP (1), 2012 WC SP (1), 2012 NHK SP (1), 2012 NHK FS (1), 2012 COC SP (1), 2012 COC FS (1), 2013 WC FS (3), 2013 4CC SP (2)
    6. Daisuke Takahashi (A few of his attempts were 4Fs, unlike anyone else on this list.)
      • # of attempts, success rate: 8/26 = 30.7%
      • With +GOE: [[7]] == 2010 NHK FS (1), 2012 WC SP (1, +3T<<), 2012 WC FS (1), 2012 NHK FS (1), 2012 GPF (1), 2012 GPF FS (1), 2010 SA FS (1)
      • With 0 GOE: [[1]] == 2012 GPF FS (1, +3T<)
      • With -GOE: [[18]] == 2010 GPF FS (1), 2011 4CC SP (1), 2011 SC FS (1), 2011 NHK FS (1), 2011 GPF SP (1), 2011 GPF FS (1), 2012 4CC SP (1), 2012 4CC FS (1), 2012 NHK SP (1), 2012 NHK FS (1), 2012 COC SP (1), 2012 COC FS (2), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1), 2013 4CC SP (1), 2013 4CC SP (2)
    7. Max Aaron
      • # of attempts, success rate: 5/5 = 100%
      • With +GOE: 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1), 2013 4CC SP (1), 2013 4CC FS (2)
      • With -GOE: None!
    8. Takahito Mura
      • # of attempts, success rate: 6/12 = 50%
      • With +GOE: [[5]] == 2010 NHK SP (1), 2010 NHK FS (1), 2012 4CC (1), 2012 SC FS (1), 2013 4CC FS (1)
      • With 0 GOE: [[1]] == 2010 SA FS (1)
      • With -GOE: [[6]] == 2010 SA SP (1), 2012 SC SP (1), 2012 TEB SP (1), 2012 TEB FS (1), 2013 WC FS (1), 2013 4CC SP (1)
    9. Brian JouBEAR
      • # of attempts, success rate: 9/16 = 56.3%
      • With +GOE: [[9]] == 2011 WC FS (1), 2012 WC SP (1), 2012 WC FS (1), 2012 TEB SP (1), 2013 WC SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1), 2011 EUR FS (1), 2012 EUR FS (1), 2013 EUR FS (1)
      • With -GOE: [[7]] == 2011 WC SP (1), 2011 EUR SP (1), 2012 EUR SP (1), 2012 EUR FS (1), 2012 TEB FS (1), 2013 EUR SP (1), 2013 WC FS (1)
    10. Michal Brezina
      • # of attempts, success rate: 5/20 = 25%
      • With +GOE: [[5]] == 2011 WC FS (2), 2013 EUR SP (1), 2013 EUR FS (1), 2013 WC SP (1)
      • With -GOE: [[15]] == 2011 COR FS (1),2011 GPF SP (1), 2011 GPF FS (1), 2012 EUR SP (1), 2012 EUR FS (1), 2012 WC FS (2), 2012 COR FS (2), 2012 SA SP (1), 2012 SA FS (2), 2013 EUR FS (1), 2013 WC FS (2)


    *Disclaimer: Results may be a bit skewed due to the omission of B-level competitions.

    I'm amazing, I know. (Yes, this took a really, really long time.)

    I was also going to add Takahiko Kozuka, Nobunari Oda, Tomas Verner, and Evgeni Plushenko on this list as "honorable mentions" (the former three kept popping up in the protocols), but I got really tired.

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