[QUOTE=Tonichelle;764624]Yes, some people are overly critical of a skater just because they don't like the skater. It's also completely legitimate to discuss a skater's chances of a comeback. Saying "There's proof YOU just have to find it" to the naysayers just adds fuel to the fire - why is it hidden? Why can't it just be produced with a simple link?
I was a fan of Lysacek after seeing him skate live in 2005 - I still enjoy his skating and wish him well... but I'm realistic in what I think he can accomplish. Evan's injury prone - whether by body type or over practicing. He has a documented history of it - Frank Carroll has been quoted many times over the years saying as much, and as Evan's coach he is an authority on the subject. No one is bashing him for his work ethic, but they are expressing concern that he is over training. He HAS overtrained and missed major competitions before. This is not something new that people are making up.
Ultimately - he is running out of time. He has not competed in a very long time and all the training in the world and all the medals in the world does not guarantee that you will not be nervous and rusty in your first competition after a long hiatus. Do I believe that Evan could make a comeback - yes, if he'd really gotten serious and started this comeback 2 years ago or even a year ago, he'd be a serious threat IMO. But we've seen a lot of these "last minute" comebacks falter because the skater just "ran out of time." Evan should've booted his "management" the second they had issues with the USFSA, apologized for any hurt feelings his agents created, and skated at least at Nationals if he couldn't make Skate America. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking, but it is what it is.
He actually did. He booted 2 management companies in the quest to deal with the USFS thing.
Maybe you are saying that others who have observed his training -- whoever they might be -- have tweeted video of his training. And maybe one or more vids of his skating at Sun Valley surfaced on social media without his active involvement. I don't claim to know either way whether or not they are out there.
No law says that any skater must serve video of her/his training to the public on a silver platter. Some skaters do; some do not.
Just sayin' that EL is not going to win any gold medals for transparency.
Also ... someone associated with Team Lysacek had leaked information to TSL re Lysacek's eventual withdrawal from the SLC Classic. TSL posted at least one blind item -- days before the official announcement of EL's withdrawal.
We do not know who exactly the leaker was, and whether EL himself had authorized the leak.
But the incident -- whether under EL's personal control or not -- leaves me wondering about Team Lysacek's communication strategy. Seems to me that a perceived lack of straightforwardness is one source of anti-EL sentiment.
I myself do not share that sentiment. OTOH, I cannot blame anyone for being skeptical either.
And some mainstream news outlets did make mention that Weir has ruled out any chance of competing in Sochi. At least one of the newscasts within NBC's Today show yesterday included a brief news tell re Weir, without attaching any plug for NBC's upcoming Sochi broadcasts. And the Today show did not refer to Weir as a voice in the controversy over Russia's anti-gay legislation. The NBC tell was strictly about the decision from Weir the skater.
With regard to leaked information regarding the current injury, Evan called Grant to let him know that he was injured and could not compete in SLC. (Grant then cancelled his plans to travel to NYC to compete at MA)
But I cannot tell why you brought it up in the context of the leak to TSL.
Are you saying that Hochstein's consequent need to cancel at MA had the inevitable side effect of setting tongues wagging? And that other people started putting two and two together? That scenario is sort of plausible to me.
I hope that you are not saying that Hochstein deliberately leaked the EL withdrawal directly to TSL.
I am not 100% sure, but I thought I remembered that TSL referred to an unnamed Toyota source when they posted the blind item about EL's withdrawal. (But maybe I am confusing the words they used for the EL post with the words they used for their Gracie Gold posts.)
TLC? How do you access that source of news?
TSL = The Skating Lesson run by Jenny Kirk and "Aunt Joyce"
Moreover, you previously stated that someone in the "Lysacek camp" leaked the information to TSL. While there is no evidence that the "Lysacek camp" leaked any info to TSL, Evan did disclose the injury to others.
Just because the TSL has a secret Toyota Sports Center Source, that does not mean that the source is part of the "Lysacek camp." Evan was training full time at Toyota Sports Center. I am sure word spread quickly when Evan had to stop training because of the injury (especially given the close proximity to the date of the SLC competition) Skaters talk. Coaches talk.
What I said is that someone associated with Team EL leaked to TSL. I understand that not everyone at Toyota is an integral member of Team EL ... but I would say that any Toyota regular is "associated" with Team EL in a looser sense, meaning that they all use the same rink. Even if skaters and coaches are talking amongst themselves (as is only human nature), I guess that I would like to believe that the Toyota regulars would have enough sense and mutual respect not to spill any beans to an entity such as TSL, which obviously is not going to keep them to itself. I do hope/believe that EL treats everyone around him with respect, so it is a shame if others do not reciprocate.In any case, glad that you were not implying anything about Hochstein himself.
Regardless of how the leak to TSL happened, my overall opinion remains that Team EL chooses to show relatively little to the public. It is their choice to make. The downside of their choice is that some people who are hungry for updates will extrapolate from the dearth of information and believe the worst.
Wild horses can't drag anything out of Grant Hochstein. He knew about Michelle Kwan's wedding for weeks (he was invited) but never a peep.
aftertherain, Hochstein trains at East West arena, the center of Kwandom. Also does some coaching himself.
Recent GS article about G.H., including a photo with M.K.
IIRC, a schedule conflict (skating-related) prevented him from attending M.K.'s wedding, but what an honor to be invited.