1A = 1.1
2A = 3.0
3A = 8.1
1Lz = 0.7
2Lz = 1.9
3 Lz = 5.2
This is the same formula that I used above, but substituting 3 for e. The rationale is that each extra revolution makes the jump three times as difficult. This, I think would be understandable to the audience. It might be a challenge to explain why a triple Axel is "e" times as difficult as a double Axel.
This (multiplying by three) is not far off from the actual scale of values, except that quads and triple Axels are presently somewhat undervalued. I think the reason is that the ISU does not want quads and triple Axels to get too far ahead of spins and other non-jump elements.
Originally Posted by ciocio
Maybe we should move this discussion to a different thread, though (it's really interesting)...
+1 should add 10% to BV, +2 should add 20% and of course +3 gives 30%.
I think the only part that really needs to be examined is the application of GOE to combinations. As for the percentages, right now the bonus for each increment of GOE is
This is not terribly outrageous.
For whatever reason, for combinations the ISU has been adamant about giving GOE only at the rate for the higher of the two jumps, not for both. They have also been firm about not taking the difficulty of a combination into account in base value (4T+3T and 3Lz is harder than 4T and 3Lz+3T, but they count the same). I don't know why the ISU technical committee is so insistent about this; the only guess that I can come up with is that a triple-triple combination is already it's own reward, because it frees up a jumping pass which the skater can fill with an extra triple jump or double Axel. This is already a pretty big reward.
Returning to this thread to note:
(1) Lysacek (along with thirteen other figure skaters) currently is at the USOC media summit, so perhaps we will be privy to an update on him early this week.
The asterisks designate Sochi 2014 Olympic hopefuls, according to the list.
- Sasha Cohen
- Emily Hughes
- Sarah Hughes
- Meryl Davis*
- Evan Lysacek*
- Charlie White*
BTW, the Times Square event will be open to the public from 5 to 8 pm.
Lysacek officially out of Skate America
He announced at the USOC media summit today that he cannot compete at Skate America because of injuries (plural).
Julie Stewart-Binks @JSB_FOX
Lysacek says abdominal strain & torn labrum will keep him out of Skate America. Still hoping to compete in Sochi & nationals #mediasummit
8:25 AM - 30 Sep 13
USFS also has been tweeting re the Lysacek news.
Presser ongoing with Lysacek, Aaron, Abbott, Wagner, Zawadzki, Gold.
I guess/hope that the ice dancers and pairs skaters will have a separate presser??
ETA, maybe the dancers and pairs are on a slightly different schedule than the singles skaters. @MaiaShibutani just tweeted that @AlexShibutani and she trained this morning at home and will be en route to Park City today.
And BTW,@USFigureSkating tweeted that Michelle Kwan is at the summit as part of the media -- b/c of her role in Fox Sports coverage of the Olympics.
So if he can't skate at Skate America, how is he going to qualify per ISU? Does he get a bye because of that gold medal from four years ago?
The tweets are coming fast and furious, but I'm pretty sure I saw one about finding an international competition for him in order to qualify for Sochi.
ETA, see this tweet from AP, which says so:
ETA, and this one from IN reporter @amyrosewater:
@EvanLysacek said he has been assured by @USFigureSkating that he can enter another international event to post score needed for Sochi.
8:26 AM - 30 Sep 13
I'm sorry that Lysacek is injured and wish him a speedy - and complete - recovery. I do think it's a good thing, though, that it has been announced this early and not - as has been speculated - a day or two before the event. And no doubt a Senior B later in the season will be found for him - why not? Maybe NRW or Golden Spin - those are later in the season, are they not?