12-08-2013, 08:40 PM
But he could still compete at Nationals for a place on the world team, couldn't he, even though he would not be eligible for the Olympic team---- so all his effort is not in vain.
12-10-2013, 12:11 AM
So...did he finally make you all happy?!
12-10-2013, 12:13 AM
He needs TES minimums for Worlds too.
Originally Posted by Icey
12-10-2013, 12:58 AM
He could have competed in a Senior B after Nationals to get the TES for the WC. However, it appears that he will not compete this season.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
12-10-2013, 01:48 AM
Not this season-----does that mean he plans on competing in the future?
12-10-2013, 02:06 AM
What in the world? It's over? Evan isn't going to Sochi? What next? There is no Santa Claus? Johnny Weir doesn't like wearing sequins? I hope people don't think the US are sending second class skaters without Evan. They still have a good group of skaters fighting out for the National title.
12-10-2013, 04:15 AM
Actually, I think that's what annoyed me most about this whole charade. People making out like the US didn't have a prayer without Lysacek. Totally disrespecting the abilities and prospects of much younger and better skaters, when really, the US has done just fine without him.
Originally Posted by Skater Boy
Perhaps I ought to be disappointed that we didn't get to have another round of "Evan works harder than ANY OTHER SKATER IN THE WORLD!!!!" bull...
12-10-2013, 05:53 AM
What charade? Lysacek has been battling injuries the last two years that have prevented him from being able to compete. He sustained a groin injury in August 2012, and then had surgery on November 20, 2012 to repair a torn abdominal muscle. Lysacek was then off the ice for six weeks. He then attempted to rehab the injury in time to compete at 2013 Nationals and was unable to do so. Lysacek then recovered from that injury and planned to compete this season. Unfortunately, he was injured during a fall while performing his short program during Champs Camp in late August. That injury was initially diagnosed as a slight abdominal tear. It was later determined that he had a torn left hip labrum. Lysacek tried to rehab the injury in time to compete this season; however, there was not enough time for him to recover. How is it a "charade" when an athlete trains, gets injured, and is unable to recover in time to compete?
Originally Posted by karne
I find it ironic that you get upset at other people who "disrespect the abilities and prospects of much younger and better skaters", when you have made it a habit on this forum to repeatedly disrespect the abilities and accomplishments of several skaters, including Lysacek.
12-10-2013, 06:12 AM
My reference to the "charade" was the rubbish that Lysacek was the only prospect of anything, which is blatantly false and, as I said, very annoying.
I have no doubt that Lysacek was injured - it always seemed to me that he pushed himself too far, too soon, quite regularly. He is not Weir who regularly faked. However I lost a ton of respect for Lysacek after that whole rubbish with Skate America where he withdrew because they could not come to a suitable financial arrangement! I mean, what a joke. The USFSA weren't jerks, Lysacek got greedy.
12-10-2013, 06:22 AM
Here is Phil Hersh's take, as of a few days ago, about why Lysacek is still in the conversation (basically, because no other U.S. man has stepped up over the last four years).
12-10-2013, 06:31 AM
Originally Posted by karne
Really...you want me to believe that your "charade" comment was not referring to Lysacek, when you make this comment about him in the other Lysacek thread: "my only surprise is that he didn't keep up the act until the day before Nationals." (FYI, to put on an act is a charade)
12-10-2013, 06:35 AM
To further clarify, it is my belief that Lysacek has known for some time that he would not recover in time, but has continued to say that he would to milk his sponsor spots. For which I cannot really blame him.
12-10-2013, 06:49 AM
You cannot fault Lysacek for trying to rehab the injury until time ran out. Most champion athletes fight until the bitter end...they don't just give up when there is still the remote possibility of recovery. The majority of Evan's sponsorships were inked prior to the latest injury (and a lot of the footage in the recent promotional clips included portions of his S& D free skate.. which was later changed to DQ in August) With the growing trend of a number of sponsors signing "legacy" athletes (i.e., former world & Olympic champions), Lysacek did not have to 'milk' the sponsors by pretending that he was going to compete. (As Coca-Cola stated, they hired a legacy athlete b/c the athlete could work on promoting the brand while the other athletes were having to focus on training and competing.)
Originally Posted by karne
01-17-2014, 11:22 PM
Bumping because you did, in fact, ,already get two wrong and with Wagner I think it will shortly be three. W/P did not win either of their GP events and were 5th in the GP final, and V/T have not won everything- they lost the GP Final.
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
02-12-2014, 06:20 PM
Actually Wagner could still medal at Worlds. And knowing pangtongfan, he'll say "Wagner won a medal in the team event, so my prediction stands as correct."
Originally Posted by tulosai
So far, pangtongfan's track record:
1. Chan is certainly in a suitable position to win gold, or at least silver. But we'll have to wait and see.
2. Weaver and Poje haven't won the GPF, or their first ever GP assignment, and certainly will not win the bronze in Sochi. Even Worlds if D/W and V/M retired they could still lose to B/S, I/K and P/B.
3. V/T, as you said, lost the GPF. They have my respect, but the judges certainly don't for their egregious PCS boosting and +GOE even on mistakes.
4. Pending... if Julia wins, that's another one wrong.
5. Wagner likely won't medal in Sochi, and at Worlds she'll be depending on retirements of Mao/Kim/Kostner to medal (and could still lose to Murakami/Gold/Suzuki).
6. Oooooh, he got one correct! Ando not making the Japanese Olympic team... such a daring prediction.
1, 2, and 4 can all potentially not happen. Somebody get ready for another bump!