IcyEdges, b/c you have personal knowledge of Lysacek's training and status, please give us your assessment as to whether he will be able to compete at Skate America.
And please do not tear Max Aaron down.
He has spoken very respectfully of EL as an idol, and more than once Max has said that competing on the same ice with EL would be a dream come true.
Some of us would be happy for Max's dream to be realized. May the best skater -- the best skater on the days of the SP and FS, for that is the nature of all sport -- win.
Pls also let Team Lysacek know that any new videos of EL's training will be welcomed with open arms. Thank you.
Exactly - most other sports have trainers/coaches/rules/etc that protect the athlete from their own pride.
I made an assessment of Max's skating. I'm sure he's heard worse from officials, etc. I never tore him down as a person and don't have a problem with him that way. I can't say that goes both ways here regarding other skaters.
I'm sure there is video out there of Evan skating recently and landing very nice jumps, etc. People like you just have to look for it.
Team Lysacek isn't stupid and no matter what is going on, be assured that said team will go the proper routes to get information out to the public when the public needs that info and no sooner or later.
That's all I have to say on that matter.
Not expecting you to reply again, but I'm confused. Has Team Lysacek released any recent video or not?
It's not that the public is in desperate "need" of video. Like it or not, it's that in the absence of readily available video, unfortunately it is human nature that some people -- not everyone, but some people -- will assume the worst. If Team Lysacek wanted to prevent any such assumptions (whether they are fair or not), releasing video would go a long way.
And releasing a practice video with the best jumps carefully selected to suggest a skater's prime condition also isn't going to say much.
Yes, some people are overly critical of a skater just because they don't like the skater. It's also completely legitimate to discuss a skater's chances of a comeback. Saying "There's proof YOU just have to find it" to the naysayers just adds fuel to the fire - why is it hidden? Why can't it just be produced with a simple link?
I was a fan of Lysacek after seeing him skate live in 2005 - I still enjoy his skating and wish him well... but I'm realistic in what I think he can accomplish. Evan's injury prone - whether by body type or over practicing. He has a documented history of it - Frank Carroll has been quoted many times over the years saying as much, and as Evan's coach he is an authority on the subject. No one is bashing him for his work ethic, but they are expressing concern that he is over training. He HAS overtrained and missed major competitions before. This is not something new that people are making up.
Ultimately - he is running out of time. He has not competed in a very long time and all the training in the world and all the medals in the world does not guarantee that you will not be nervous and rusty in your first competition after a long hiatus. Do I believe that Evan could make a comeback - yes, if he'd really gotten serious and started this comeback 2 years ago or even a year ago, he'd be a serious threat IMO. But we've seen a lot of these "last minute" comebacks falter because the skater just "ran out of time." Evan should've booted his "management" the second they had issues with the USFSA, apologized for any hurt feelings his agents created, and skated at least at Nationals if he couldn't make Skate America. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking, but it is what it is.
IF Evan is healthy and on the ice at nationals I'll be cheering him on as always, but I would prefer that he doesn't rush recovery and training and then come away the same way Sasha Cohen did 4 years ago.
Yes, some people are overly critical of a skater just because they don't like the skater. It's also completely legitimate to discuss a skater's chances of a comeback. Saying "There's proof YOU just have to find it" to the naysayers just adds fuel to the fire - why is it hidden? Why can't it just be produced with a simple link?
I was a fan of Lysacek after seeing him skate live in 2005 - I still enjoy his skating and wish him well... but I'm realistic in what I think he can accomplish. Evan's injury prone - whether by body type or over practicing. He has a documented history of it - Frank Carroll has been quoted many times over the years saying as much, and as Evan's coach he is an authority on the subject. No one is bashing him for his work ethic, but they are expressing concern that he is over training. He HAS overtrained and missed major competitions before. This is not something new that people are making up.
Ultimately - he is running out of time. He has not competed in a very long time and all the training in the world and all the medals in the world does not guarantee that you will not be nervous and rusty in your first competition after a long hiatus. Do I believe that Evan could make a comeback - yes, if he'd really gotten serious and started this comeback 2 years ago or even a year ago, he'd be a serious threat IMO. But we've seen a lot of these "last minute" comebacks falter because the skater just "ran out of time." Evan should've booted his "management" the second they had issues with the USFSA, apologized for any hurt feelings his agents created, and skated at least at Nationals if he couldn't make Skate America. This is all Monday morning quarterbacking, but it is what it is.
IF Evan is healthy and on the ice at nationals I'll be cheering him on as always, but I would prefer that he doesn't rush recovery and training and then come away the same way Sasha Cohen did 4 years ago.
Do I believe that Evan could make a comeback - yes, if he'd really gotten serious and started this comeback 2 years ago or even a year ago, he'd be a serious threat IMO.
IF Evan is healthy and on the ice at nationals I'll be cheering him on as always, but I would prefer that he doesn't rush recovery and training and then come away the same way Sasha Cohen did 4 years ago.
i agree with the cheering part, but IMHO Sasha has nothing to be ashamed of. She said she was coming back. She came back. Did pretty well at Nationals, finishing fourth.
Evan was advertised for Skate America two years ago, but he withdrew because of financial disagreements with the USFSA. He was advertised for Skate America last year, but he withdrew because of injury. He was advertised for Skate America this year, but again withdrew because of injury. The ball is in Evan's court.
Oh. He hasn't? I believe that Frank Carroll was quoted at the Salt lake City B competition, wondering how they were going to get another event to make the tech minimum for the Olympics, so I just assumed...
I think it's easy to infer what that means, but he still hasn't officially withdrawn - I don't expect he will until right up to the wire.
Doing this to keep his name in the news? ROTFL Do any you really buy into that? THE public does not keep up with skating, and only a very small percentage knows who is who today.