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    TLC? How do you access that source of news?

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    TSL = The Skating Lesson run by Jenny Kirk and "Aunt Joyce"

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post

    I was aware that EL notified Hochstein in advance -- and I do think EL deserves credit for this example of good sportmanship.

    But I cannot tell why you brought it up in the context of the leak to TSL.
    Are you saying that Hochstein's consequent need to cancel at MA had the inevitable side effect of setting tongues wagging? And that other people started putting two and two together? That scenario is sort of plausible to me.
    I hope that you are not saying that Hochstein deliberately leaked the EL withdrawal directly to TSL.
    I am not 100% sure, but I thought I remembered that TSL referred to an unnamed Toyota source when they posted the blind item about EL's withdrawal. (But maybe I am confusing the words they used for the EL post with the words they used for their Gracie Gold posts.)
    No, I am not saying that Grant deliberately leaked the information directly to TSL. However, the more people that know about the injury and WD (Grant, coaches, training partners, etc) the higher probability that the information gets leaked.

    Moreover, you previously stated that someone in the "Lysacek camp" leaked the information to TSL. While there is no evidence that the "Lysacek camp" leaked any info to TSL, Evan did disclose the injury to others.

    Just because the TSL has a secret Toyota Sports Center Source, that does not mean that the source is part of the "Lysacek camp." Evan was training full time at Toyota Sports Center. I am sure word spread quickly when Evan had to stop training because of the injury (especially given the close proximity to the date of the SLC competition) Skaters talk. Coaches talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Also ... someone associated with Team Lysacek had leaked information to TSL re Lysacek's eventual withdrawal from the SLC Classic. ...We do not know who exactly the leaker was, and whether EL himself had authorized the leak.
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    No, I am not saying that Grant deliberately leaked the information directly to TSL. However, the more people that know about the injury and WD (Grant, coaches, training partners, etc) the higher probability that the information gets leaked.

    Moreover, you previously stated that someone in the "Lysacek camp" leaked the information to TSL. While there is no evidence that the "Lysacek camp" leaked any info to TSL, Evan did disclose the injury to others.

    Just because the TSL has a secret Toyota Sports Center Source, that does not mean that the source is part of the "Lysacek camp." Evan was training full time at Toyota Sports Center. I am sure word spread quickly when Evan had to stop training because of the injury (especially given the close proximity to the date of the SLC competition) Skaters talk. Coaches talk.
    As Toni points out, maybe I misremembered about TSL referring specifically to a source from Toyota. So maybe my response below is irrelevant, but:
    What I said is that someone associated with Team EL leaked to TSL. I understand that not everyone at Toyota is an integral member of Team EL ... but I would say that any Toyota regular is "associated" with Team EL in a looser sense, meaning that they all use the same rink. Even if skaters and coaches are talking amongst themselves (as is only human nature), I guess that I would like to believe that the Toyota regulars would have enough sense and mutual respect not to spill any beans to an entity such as TSL, which obviously is not going to keep them to itself. I do hope/believe that EL treats everyone around him with respect, so it is a shame if others do not reciprocate.
    In any case, glad that you were not implying anything about Hochstein himself.

    Regardless of how the leak to TSL happened, my overall opinion remains that Team EL chooses to show relatively little to the public. It is their choice to make. The downside of their choice is that some people who are hungry for updates will extrapolate from the dearth of information and believe the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    TLC? How do you access that source of news?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    TSL = The Skating Lesson run by Jenny Kirk and "Aunt Joyce"
    The Skating Lesson by Jenny Kirk (best known for her "Chicago" short program and anti-eating disorder articles) and Dave Lease (best known for his "Aunt Joyce" blog).

    Just search "The Skating Lesson" on Google. You'll get their official website, Facebook, and Twitter.

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    Wild horses can't drag anything out of Grant Hochstein. He knew about Michelle Kwan's wedding for weeks (he was invited) but never a peep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Wild horses can't drag anything out of Grant Hochstein. He knew about Michelle Kwan's wedding for weeks (he was invited) but never a peep.
    How do they know each other anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Wild horses can't drag anything out of Grant Hochstein. He knew about Michelle Kwan's wedding for weeks (he was invited) but never a peep.
    Good reminder, MM. Respect to Hochstein.

    aftertherain, Hochstein trains at East West arena, the center of Kwandom. Also does some coaching himself.

    Recent GS article about G.H., including a photo with M.K.

    IIRC, a schedule conflict (skating-related) prevented him from attending M.K.'s wedding, but what an honor to be invited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    IIRC, a schedule conflict (skating-related) prevented him from attending M.K.'s wedding, but what an honor to be invited.
    Nationals, right?

    (And thanks!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcyEdges View Post
    Just b/c olyphil decided to tweet some hearsay from Frank ... and everyone wants to interpret it their way and flip out. Then again, I know what I know.
    Never got around to asking you before, IcyEdges:
    - Don't understand how comments from Frank Carroll could be "hearsay." Surely Carroll has direct knowledge of Lysacek's status.
    - And are you saying that you know more about Lysacek than Carroll does?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Yes, some people are overly critical of a skater just because they don't like the skater. It's also completely legitimate to discuss a skater's chances of a comeback. Saying "There's proof YOU just have to find it" to the naysayers just adds fuel to the fire - why is it hidden? Why can't it just be produced with a simple link? ....

    IF Evan is healthy and on the ice at nationals I'll be cheering him on as always ....


    Quote Originally Posted by aftertherain View Post
    Nationals, right?
    LOL, how soon we forget. No wonder Hochstein chose a little skating competition like Nationals instead of Kwan's wedding.

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    Me, I would have gone to the wedding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Oh please. Even before his injury problems and delayed comeback Evan was NEVER a serious contender for an Olympic medal of any color in Sochi. He is a 28 year old with a beat up old body who hasnt competed in 3 years, and if Plushenko who in his prime was twice the skater Evan is cant win the Olympics in a super weak field at 27, Evan sure as heck wasnt going to even be top 5 in a strong field at 28. What would a skater without great artistry, who never had a solid quad at a time the quads are again relevant, and who had an ugly and weak triple axel which without his 09-2010 status would now receive the -GOE or < calls it deserves, do against people like Chan who do every single thing better than Evan can. Yet I have this funny feeling Chan will even finish only 3rd or 4th in Sochi (especialy if he has a couple boo boos like usual) so what does this say to how Evan would have fared (if he even had made it out of U.S Nationals somehow).
    Plushenkos loss had little to do with age or previous injury! He went to the Vancouver games with the dumbest program design of anyone there! Decided to ignore basically everything about 2008 and 2009 worlds because the winners didn't do quads! It was the worst mistake in strategy a champion in skating ever had! Plushenko was the only one in Vancouver who had quad triple triple axel and level 4 spins! He lost because of idiocy in strategy that's unparalleled in skating history.

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    Can we please rename the thread? "Evan Lysacek's road to Sochi starts to get seriously injured" is more correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Can we please rename the thread? "Evan Lysacek's road to Sochi starts to get seriously injured" is more correct.
    Can roads get injured?

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