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Thread: Lysacek's road to Sochi starts to get serious

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    I think the only part that really needs to be examined is the application of GOE to combinations. As for the percentages, right now the bonus for each increment of GOE is

    2A 15%
    4T 17%
    3S 16%
    3Lo 14%
    3F 13%
    3Lz 12%

    This is not terribly outrageous.

    For whatever reason, for combinations the ISU has been adamant about giving GOE only at the rate for the higher of the two jumps, not for both. They have also been firm about not taking the difficulty of a combination into account in base value (4T+3T and 3Lz is harder than 4T and 3Lz+3T, but they count the same). I don't know why the ISU technical committee is so insistent about this; the only guess that I can come up with is that a triple-triple combination is already it's own reward, because it frees up a jumping pass which the skater can fill with an extra triple jump or double Axel. This is already a pretty big reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Maybe we should move this discussion to a different thread, though (it's really interesting)...
    Since the discussion re: jump value and GOE is off topic, it would be courteous to move the discussion to another thread.

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    Returning to this thread to note:

    (1) Lysacek (along with thirteen other figure skaters) currently is at the USOC media summit, so perhaps we will be privy to an update on him early this week.

    (2)
    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Today the USOC announced that Lysacek will be one of the featured Sochi hopefuls at its 100 Day Countdown event -- on Oct 29, barely a week after Skate America.
    More than forty athletes are expected to participate. Of the ten mentioned by name in the announcement, Lysacek is the only figure skater.
    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Wait, this part I don't like. You mean to say that Lysacek can pull out of Skate America and he will STILL be the only figure skater getting show-off media coverage and talked about as a Sochi hopeful? As opposed to Max, Joshua, Jason, Adam, any of the skaters that have actually PROVEN that they are competing? This STINKS.
    Just stumbled upon a full list of athletes for this event (on a separate page from the press release), current as of 9/23/13. For figure skating, they are:
    • Sasha Cohen
    • Emily Hughes
    • Sarah Hughes
    • Meryl Davis*
    • Evan Lysacek*
    • Charlie White*
    The asterisks designate Sochi 2014 Olympic hopefuls, according to the list.

    BTW, the Times Square event will be open to the public from 5 to 8 pm.

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    News

    Lysacek officially out of Skate America

    He announced at the USOC media summit today that he cannot compete at Skate America because of injuries (plural).

    ETA:

    Julie Stewart-Binks ‏@JSB_FOX
    Lysacek says abdominal strain & torn labrum will keep him out of Skate America. Still hoping to compete in Sochi & nationals #mediasummit
    8:25 AM - 30 Sep 13
    https://twitter.com/JSB_FOX/status/384700496717414400

    USFS also has been tweeting re the Lysacek news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Lysacek officially out of Skate America

    He announced at the USOC media summit today that he cannot compete at Skate America because of injuries.
    Per Phil Hersh, Evan has a torn labrum.

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    Presser ongoing with Lysacek, Aaron, Abbott, Wagner, Zawadzki, Gold.

    I guess/hope that the ice dancers and pairs skaters will have a separate presser??
    ETA, maybe the dancers and pairs are on a slightly different schedule than the singles skaters. @MaiaShibutani just tweeted that @AlexShibutani and she trained this morning at home and will be en route to Park City today.

    And BTW,@USFigureSkating tweeted that Michelle Kwan is at the summit as part of the media -- b/c of her role in Fox Sports coverage of the Olympics.

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    So if he can't skate at Skate America, how is he going to qualify per ISU? Does he get a bye because of that gold medal from four years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    So if he can't skate at Skate America, how is he going to qualify per ISU? Does he get a bye because of that gold medal from four years ago?
    Do not think he gets a bye.

    The tweets are coming fast and furious, but I'm pretty sure I saw one about finding an international competition for him in order to qualify for Sochi.

    ETA, see this tweet from AP, which says so:

    ETA, and this one from IN reporter @amyrosewater:
    @EvanLysacek said he has been assured by @USFigureSkating that he can enter another international event to post score needed for Sochi.
    8:26 AM - 30 Sep 13
    https://twitter.com/amyrosewater/sta...00816570847232

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    I'm sorry that Lysacek is injured and wish him a speedy - and complete - recovery. I do think it's a good thing, though, that it has been announced this early and not - as has been speculated - a day or two before the event. And no doubt a Senior B later in the season will be found for him - why not? Maybe NRW or Golden Spin - those are later in the season, are they not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    I guess/hope that the ice dancers and pairs skaters will have a separate presser??
    Shibs posted on twitter a little while ago that they were headed to the media summit so I assume you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post
    Shibs posted on twitter a little while ago that they were headed to the media summit so I assume you are correct.
    LOL, great minds ... I just got through editing my post above to include Maia's tweet.

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    So he expects to keep on training with a torn labrum? I suppose it depends on the extent but it's doutbful that it will withstand further 3A and quad training. Even if he does manage to push through it the permanent damage cannot be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyanydots View Post
    So he expects to keep on training with a torn labrum? I suppose it depends on the extent but it's doutbful that it will withstand further 3A and quad training. Even if he does manage to push through it the permanent damage cannot be worth it.
    I think this is it for Evan. He needs surgery, not another international event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    I think this is it for Evan. He needs surgery, not another international event.
    I think he knows it, judging by the pics I've seen he was the only one decked out in all team USA swag... I think he's here strictly to keep media attention on skating - at least for now...

    And, at least, I hope that's why he is still toying with the idea... I don't want him skating injured to the point where it does permanent harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonichelle View Post

    I think he knows it, judging by the pics I've seen he was the only one decked out in all team USA swag... I think he's here strictly to keep media attention on skating - at least for now...

    And, at least, I hope that's why he is still toying with the idea... I don't want him skating injured to the point where it does permanent harm.
    ALL skaters were wearing Team USA swag. Evan was wearing Ralph Lauren Team USA attire. The other skaters were wearing Nike Team USA attire.

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