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    No way Evan will finish 6-10 at Nationals unless he skates severely injured. He will be on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    No way Evan will finish 6-10 at Nationals unless he skates severely injured. He will be on the podium.
    Agreed. Right now, of the current batch of US men, Max Aaron is the only one with a good chance of actually beating Evan in a head-on competition. Remember that, even quadless, Evan is a veteran who knows how to skate to get points. And, if his condition continues to improve throughout the fall, I can't imagine him leaving those points on the table by not jumping quads at Nationals.

    He might not qualify for the Olympics, but if he's at Nationals, I don't expect him to deliver a half-cooked performance. He'll be there to win, or at the very least, to get on the podium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Agreed. Right now, of the current batch of US men, Max Aaron is the only one with a good chance of actually beating Evan in a head-on competition. Remember that, even quadless, Evan is a veteran who knows how to skate to get points. And, if his condition continues to improve throughout the fall, I can't imagine him leaving those points on the table by not jumping quads at Nationals.

    He might not qualify for the Olympics, but if he's at Nationals, I don't expect him to deliver a half-cooked performance. He'll be there to win, or at the very least, to get on the podium.
    that would be an embarassment wouldnt it ?
    considering the US many talented you men

    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66

    Evan is actually 28 now.
    And he is one day older than Jeremy Abbott. Therefore, I get a good laugh every time someone says Evan is too old to compete, but does not say that Jeremy is too old to compete.

    I can't remember, was Plushenko 27 or 28 in Vancouver?
    Zhenya is a freak of nature like Kim Yuna
    who can almost come back at anytime and still be competitive
    I cant say the same for groin hampered boring Lysaceck

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    I believe that if Evan needs to be first or second at the US Nationals, he will do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    And he is one day older than Jeremy Abbott. Therefore, I get a good laugh every time someone says Evan is too old to compete, but does not say that Jeremy is too old to compete.

    I can't remember, was Plushenko 27 or 28 in Vancouver?
    They are both "older", which is why I am not optimistic about the quad success for either one of them and would not be surprised if Dornbush and Farris, and maybe even Brown, Miner, Rippon, or Messing, walked right past both of them at Nationals. Max Aaron is pretty much a given to make the team, and I tend to think a driven 18 year old on the rise and a very athletic 22 year old with two different quads have a pretty decent chance of outskating a pair of 28 year olds, both coming off of recent injuries, one with a long history of instability in competition whose quad was hit-or-miss even during his prime a few years back, the other a former champion, but who has been away from competition for 3 full years and is still recovering from a pretty serious injury and never had a consistent quad and whose 3a was of sketchy quality during his prime, come Nationals.

    Plushenko was 28 in Vancouver, yes, but like someone mentioned, he is a freak of nature, and further, he lost gold to a quadless, conservative Lysacek, and the rest of the field was similarly conservative in the competition, made lots of mistakes, or were conservative AND made lots of mistakes.

    Similarly, Yu Na Kim, the most talented ladies jumper in years and years, could not overtake a conservative Miki Ando with a 5 triple FS for the World title when she came back after less than 1 year away from competition, without a major injury, at the age of 20, and was competing against a pretty weak field (weak as in the high level skaters were not skating their best).

    If those two legends couldn't win, why do people think Lysacek can given all he's up against?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post

    Plushenko was 28 in Vancouver, yes, but like someone mentioned, he is a freak of nature, and further, he lost gold to a quadless, conservative Lysacek, and the rest of the field was similarly conservative in the competition, made lots of mistakes, or were conservative AND made lots of mistakes.
    Plushenko was 27 y.o. and 3 month in Vancouver. And he lost, because Evan was overscored in SP. Lp's scores were almost Ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    And he is one day older than Jeremy Abbott. Therefore, I get a good laugh every time someone says Evan is too old to compete, but does not say that Jeremy is too old to compete.

    I can't remember, was Plushenko 27 or 28 in Vancouver?

    Just as I laugh at your post for a number of reasons:

    1. I laugh that you imply Abbott who has missed making the U.S World team during a dire period for U.S mens skating 2 of the last 3 years, and has not even qualified for the Grand Prix final or won a regular grand prix since 2009, is on some planet "competitive" right now. Is there a single person who implies or suggests Abbott is a medal contender for Sochi, if he even makes it there? Hell no. Not a good example, unless you are only attempting to discuss Evan's chances to make the U.S Olympic team (which 28 year old Abbott at this point is even a real long shot for).

    2. That Lysacek is a Plushenko, one of the all time great male skaters and an icon who completely dominated the sport in his prime years. Plushenko went from crushing a post Yagudin field, winning Olympic Gold by 30 points, to losing against the virtually same field of men at the next Olympics, and probably would have been as low as 5th or 6th had it been a well skated event. So a skater who was never far ahead of the pack even in their peak years would definitely be doing alot more than just dropping to silver.


    and to lesser degree worth noting:

    3. that even beating someone like Abbott at Nationals would be some breeze for Evan when in his all time peak years in 2009 and 2010 when he won Worlds and Olympics, he couldnt even beat Abbott at Nationals. Let alone for certain beating the guys who are more likely to make Sochi than Abbott (for the record I do think if Evan shows up at Nationals he has a fighting shot at the team along with about 6 others, but whichever the U.S men send to Sochi have no hope in hell of a medal, other than maybe if Aaron lands 5 quads, has improved his PCS a huge deal, and the event is a splatfest).

    4. The technical requirements in mens skating are on another planet from what they were in Vancouver when most of the field couldnt even do a quad or triple axel (or both), and was in the midst of the 2008-2010 lull when mens skating went backwards about 30 years technically briefly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    well, he'll have to make it through nationals first, lol
    with Max, Dornbush, Farris, even Abbott will be ahead of him
    A little off topic, but this just made me excited for this season to start! Who doesn't love Olympic years?

    I am not a huge Evan fan but it will be interesting to see him come back. I hope he does the GP events and doesn't pull a Sasha and just do nationals. I think I see Yuna being a strong repeat for the OGM more than I do for Eavn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    They are both "older", which is why I am not optimistic about the quad success for either one of them and would not be surprised if Dornbush and Farris, and maybe even Brown, Miner, Rippon, or Messing, walked right past both of them at Nationals. Max Aaron is pretty much a given to make the team, and I tend to think a driven 18 year old on the rise and a very athletic 22 year old with two different quads have a pretty decent chance of outskating a pair of 28 year olds, both coming off of recent injuries, one with a long history of instability in competition whose quad was hit-or-miss even during his prime a few years back, the other a former champion, but who has been away from competition for 3 full years and is still recovering from a pretty serious injury and never had a consistent quad and whose 3a was of sketchy quality during his prime, come Nationals.

    Plushenko was 28 in Vancouver, yes, but like someone mentioned, he is a freak of nature, and further, he lost gold to a quadless, conservative Lysacek, and the rest of the field was similarly conservative in the competition, made lots of mistakes, or were conservative AND made lots of mistakes.

    Similarly, Yu Na Kim, the most talented ladies jumper in years and years, could not overtake a conservative Miki Ando with a 5 triple FS for the World title when she came back after less than 1 year away from competition, without a major injury, at the age of 20, and was competing against a pretty weak field (weak as in the high level skaters were not skating their best).

    If those two legends couldn't win, why do people think Lysacek can given all he's up against?
    Yes that field of us nationals young people looks impressive!

    To be sarcastic and quote others "because lysacek works hardest!" lol Rolleyes

    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Just as I laugh at your post for a number of reasons:

    1. I laugh that you imply Abbott who has missed making the U.S World team during a dire period for U.S mens skating 2 of the last 3 years, and has not even qualified for the Grand Prix final or won a regular grand prix since 2009, is on some planet "competitive" right now. Is there a single person who implies or suggests Abbott is a medal contender for Sochi, if he even makes it there? Hell no. Not a good example, unless you are only attempting to discuss Evan's chances to make the U.S Olympic team (which 28 year old Abbott at this point is even a real long shot for).

    2. That Lysacek is a Plushenko, one of the all time great male skaters and an icon who completely dominated the sport in his prime years. Plushenko went from crushing a post Yagudin field, winning Olympic Gold by 30 points, to losing against the virtually same field of men at the next Olympics, and probably would have been as low as 5th or 6th had it been a well skated event. So a skater who was never far ahead of the pack even in their peak years would definitely be doing alot more than just dropping to silver.


    and to lesser degree worth noting:

    3. that even beating someone like Abbott at Nationals would be some breeze for Evan when in his all time peak years in 2009 and 2010 when he won Worlds and Olympics, he couldnt even beat Abbott at Nationals. Let alone for certain beating the guys who are more likely to make Sochi than Abbott (for the record I do think if Evan shows up at Nationals he has a fighting shot at the team along with about 6 others, but whichever the U.S men send to Sochi have no hope in hell of a medal, other than maybe if Aaron lands 5 quads, has improved his PCS a huge deal, and the event is a splatfest).

    4. The technical requirements in mens skating are on another planet from what they were in Vancouver when most of the field couldnt even do a quad or triple axel (or both), and was in the midst of the 2008-2010 lull when mens skating went backwards about 30 years technically briefly.


    I would assume that the lesson of plushenko 2010 is you must keep up with what is winning events - what is winning worlds. When no winners are doing quads - you don't do them!! When all skaters have 3/5 jump layouts you do a 3/5 jump layout! If people's three jump combos have moved to 3-2-2 you do 3-2-2. Now in 2014 it's looking like quad in sp and lp. Sp layout 2/1 lp layout 3/5. Get a Canadian cop expert to do chroeo!!! Lysacek certainly has a history of following what wins and plushenko didn't.

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    I don't think anyone believes Evan has a realistic chance of winning OGM. The men's field is the strongest that it's been in years, and the leaders right now -- Patrick, Javier, Yuzuru -- all have multiple, consistent quads planned across both programs. Evan, while he knows what he needs to do to get on the Olympic podium, actually has to get out there and do it. I would be surprised if he has more than one quad planned in his free skate; he showed that he really doesn't think much of the new technical requirements in his most recent IceNetwork interview.

    I have far less doubts about him making the national podium, if only because Max is currently the only US man with a consistent quad. Adam has plans for a quad Lutz that most likely won't pan out; Jeremy is far more of an artist than a technician; Ross and Ricky blow hot and cold without warning; Josh and Jason, while wonderful, still need that extra umph that they probably won't get until after Sochi. Max for 2014!

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    I assume lysacek would try to attempt what wins but doubt his execution would be successful! And if he tried 2010 all over again that would be totally lol!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Yes that field of us nationals young people looks impressive!

    To be sarcastic and quote others "because lysacek works hardest!" lol Rolleyes
    hey he trains hard for his scratchy 3A.
    I doubt Lysaeck would even jump a quad in an actual competition anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I assume lysacek would try to attempt what wins but doubt his execution would be successful! And if he tried 2010 all over again that would be totally lol!!!
    he said his biggest advantage is experience
    so maybe he will jump the same content in 2010 at nationals a bit embarassing afterwards, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    To be sarcastic and quote others "because lysacek works hardest!" lol Rolleyes
    I can picture it now. Scott Hamilton will be UNBEARABLE if Evan has even a halfway decent skate at Nationals. I don't buy the "no one works harder" thing. Evan works very hard, yes, but so do plenty of other skaters. Scott is just an American rooting for an American. If Evan were Canadian, I wonder if Scott would still say that? Incidentally, the Canadian commentators don't constantly harp on Chan's work ethic and I prefer it that way. Even though I'm an American, I heartily dislike American skating commentating at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    he said his biggest advantage is experience
    so maybe he will jump the same content in 2010 at nationals a bit embarassing afterwards, lol
    The other thing is, Evan and Jeremy seem to want this last chance at Olympic Glory so badly, that working so hard might bite them in the butt, in other words, they'll work so hard trying to land those darn quads that they end up re-injuring their aging bodies. So this is one situation where working extremely hard may not even help Evan or Jeremy, it actually is a risky situation, they probably need to be really careful about their training, not doing too many reps of the jumps that have triggered their injuries in the past, but at the same time doing enough to be prepared to land the jumps when it matters in competition. This is why I feel better about Max, and would like to see Dornbush or Farris (or someone else young and healthy) join him. Also if one of the younger guys makes the team and chokes, at least it would be a valuable learning experience, whereas if Abbott goes and chokes again, it's sad and not a good note to go out on, and for Evan anything less than gold, or even less than 4th, is a big letdown considering he was 4th 8 years ago, and for him to place 4th or higher in this field is basically a pipe dream.

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