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    What would you call that Chen double axel technique? It's starts looking like a salcow or loop entrance and an edge jump but all of a sudden she's forward!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    What would you call that Chen double axel technique? It's starts looking like a salcow or loop entrance and an edge jump but all of a sudden she's forward!
    I think she does it in this way to get high GOE since that looks like a difficult entry, IMO. Yuzuru did his 3A in the SP similarly last season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    I think she does it in this way to get high GOE since that looks like a difficult entry, IMO. Yuzuru did his 3A in the SP similarly last season
    It did get good GOE but it didn't look like a hard transition it looked like awful technique LOL! Guess the judges went with difficult entry. She doesn't seem to take off like she's doing an axel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    It did get good GOE but it didn't look like a hard transition it looked like awful technique LOL! Guess the judges went with difficult entry. She doesn't seem to take off like she's doing an axel.
    She can do it with a normal entry, here is her LP from Glacier Falls this summer:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9_1rr-IdY go to minute 2:05

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    She can do it with a normal entry, here is her LP from Glacier Falls this summer:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn9_1rr-IdY go to minute 2:05
    Well its interesting! Getting a transition that makes it looks like you have awful technique! LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirunna View Post
    I thought Karen Chen was amazing. She had much more speed than both Russian ladies combined, her program is well constructed and she skated very well (except the combo which was a little bit jerky). To me, Karen deserved to win the PCS. I am with you about Medvedeva though (I am warming up to her style of skating), but they are almost tied on PCS and Sotskova did scored better than her on SS, which is as it should be.
    Just watching the videos (before reading scores/protocols) I thought that my ranking for the PCS was:
    1) Chen
    2) Medvedeva
    3) Chartrand
    4) Siraj
    5) Sotskova: she really didn't impress me, artistically, I think that I need to watch her program again to understand these "high" scores, because I frankly thought that her program was very weak in the PE, CH and IN areas (in the 4.00-5.00 range), I just got the feeling "jump-generic skating-spin-jump-steps..." that I get watching low-elvel skaters... (maybe I'm simply wrong and when I watch the video again, I'll say "Wow, that's wonderful!")
    Nice competition, technically, though: what a shame for Medvedeva's SP, the skaters in the top3 really skated great programs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    What would you call that Chen double axel technique? It's starts looking like a salcow or loop entrance and an edge jump but all of a sudden she's forward!
    It's a difficult entrance. What was that a rocker? She went from a back inside to a forward outside edge and right up into the axel. I thought it was great! Good height and nice speed and flow out of it. I've seen several skaters use that entrance before.

    I haven't watched anyone else yet but I thought Karen was fabulous. Her program is lovely, her jumps looked solid (the 3-3 may have been close) but everything else was very nice.

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    I think this is the best female competition from the JGP.The top 3 will surely make the final. And all three of them are very good in all directions, nice programs, good choreo and interpretation, nice costumes, good TES. Even though Karen Chen is a a very special little thing, I liked better the russian girls. It's like the Junior Worlds with Sotskova being Samantha. She skates and looks like a senior but being only 13. I mean she is much more senior than all Radionova, Lipnitskaya and Tuktamisheva. She looks and skates like Adelina who is 18 but has much better technique than her. What can I say? This is the russian curse: being awfully good and so damn young! Sotskova might be "the next best thing" winning everything in the next 2 seasons like Adelina, Julia and Elena did before her, and with little exceptions also Liza. I really liked Mevdeeva, I think just a little bot more than Sotskova, maybe because of the baby ballerina look and surprisingly because of the stepseq she got 0 points. That was such a pity because it looked so good.

    As for Karen, she remindes me of Caroline Zhang as a body type. Of course she has better chances than C even if her body would change in the same direction because she has better technique, she jumps higher and has very, very good speed. I was so in love with little Caroline and felt so sad for what happened to her that I am afraid to make hopes for other asian american girls who resembles her. Ar first was Angela Wang last season who capture my attention and it seems that she already has problems and she looks a little heavier. But she is such a talented and gracious girl. Anyway, I hope Karen will defeat the puberty monster because she has the whole package.

    And because Kiira Korpi is may favourite female skater, I am very happy to see that at least now when she is close to retiring some good youngsters are coming from behind. Liubov Efimenko was delightful to watch. She was born in Russia, I think her mother is russian and her father is finnish but I am not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Just watching the videos (before reading scores/protocols) I thought that my ranking for the PCS was:
    1) Chen
    2) Medvedeva
    3) Chartrand
    4) Siraj
    5) Sotskova: she really didn't impress me, artistically, I think that I need to watch her program again to understand these "high" scores, because I frankly thought that her program was very weak in the PE, CH and IN areas (in the 4.00-5.00 range), I just got the feeling "jump-generic skating-spin-jump-steps..." that I get watching low-elvel skaters... (maybe I'm simply wrong and when I watch the video again, I'll say "Wow, that's wonderful!")
    Nice competition, technically, though: what a shame for Medvedeva's SP, the skaters in the top3 really skated great programs!
    See, I totally disagree! I thought the PCS was totally on par. I agree Chen is the most well rounded of presentation and skating skills, and is deservedly first. Medvedeva is bubbly and charming, but her skating skills are weaker. Sotskova has strong skating skills, but needs work on presenting her program to the audience. I think she definitely understands the music, and has an introspective sort of artistry but isn't strong on showing that to the audience yet - which is totally fine at this point, given that she's 13. She also has very nice lines. And her 3Lo came out of nowhere! I don't see anything about Chartrand that merits her PCS being higher than Sotskova - she's sloppy and unpolished by comparison, and neither her speed nor her SS stand out. She's made improvements, for sure, though. As for Yasmin, I thought she was a little tentative today.

    But that's figure skating...people always see different things

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Just watching the videos (before reading scores/protocols) I thought that my ranking for the PCS was:
    1) Chen
    2) Medvedeva
    3) Chartrand
    4) Siraj
    5) Sotskova: she really didn't impress me, artistically, I think that I need to watch her program again to understand these "high" scores, because I frankly thought that her program was very weak in the PE, CH and IN areas (in the 4.00-5.00 range), I just got the feeling "jump-generic skating-spin-jump-steps..." that I get watching low-elvel skaters... (maybe I'm simply wrong and when I watch the video again, I'll say "Wow, that's wonderful!")
    Nice competition, technically, though: what a shame for Medvedeva's SP, the skaters in the top3 really skated great programs!
    I agree with you totally here Chen really is exquisite , she has really improved the height in her jumps tremendously. Sotskova has very solid skating and lovely jumps but the program construction is not quite as good but a very strong showing nonetheless and she is a very exciting prospect. Alaine Chartrand skates with ALOT of speed and really attacks those jumps, that took some serious guts to go for that 3t on the combo after not having the best landing on the lutz, I really enjoyed that program! I think siraj had such a mature well choreographed program and its good to see that she has added the loop this season IIRC she wasn't doing it before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Just watching the videos (before reading scores/protocols) I thought that my ranking for the PCS was:
    1) Chen
    2) Medvedeva
    3) Chartrand
    4) Siraj
    5) Sotskova: she really didn't impress me, artistically, I think that I need to watch her program again to understand these "high" scores, because I frankly thought that her program was very weak in the PE, CH and IN areas (in the 4.00-5.00 range), I just got the feeling "jump-generic skating-spin-jump-steps..." that I get watching low-elvel skaters... (maybe I'm simply wrong and when I watch the video again, I'll say "Wow, that's wonderful!")
    Nice competition, technically, though: what a shame for Medvedeva's SP, the skaters in the top3 really skated great programs!
    Disagree about Sotskova. I thought Sotskova's choreography was more coherent and she moved with way more polish and finished off her moves better. Better carriage too. Medvedeva has beautiful spins but came across quite frantic, particularly during the awkward step sequence which seemed to last forever. Medvedeva smiled more, but Sotskova appeared to have some real musicality and dance training. Don't know if I liked Chen that much. A lot of all-out movement and not much restrained passion which is crucial to flamenco. Probably quite good for her age but for a 13-year-old girl to do Flamenco the expression just seemed put-on. I think Sotskova was my favourite of the top three. I kind of miss the Siraj from a couple of seasons ago. Her jumps also seem to just get worse with age :(

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    Karen Chen turned 14 this month.

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    Thank you oleada, skatel80 and shine for sharing your opinions about my post! That's the kind of constructive discussion that I like!

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    I liked Sotskova the most, too. I'm watching her program over and over again. Her skating skills and transitions are amazing like a little Kostner. Her program was emotional so I think it's why she didn't smile that much. She looks like a candidate for the junior world title this year. And if she survives through puberty with some improvements, she will easily compete with big girls to get her spot in the team at 2018 olympics. Good girl, she made me happy so much!!
    On the other hand Chen and Medvedeva are really promising skaters, too. Chen has shown what self confidence means. Really talented girl but her body type makes me worried for her future. Medvedeva is an ambitious girl whose presentation was also good. Let's see what will happen in the free skate.

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    I noticed that what happened with Medvedeva's StSq is the same thing that happened to Gachinski at SC in 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGpM_M-Zdaw

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