# Thread: best laybacks and criteria to achieve level 4

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the best layback and biellman is Czisny, no doubt!

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Elene Gedevanishvili had a beautiful layback and biellman in Oly 2006.. the actual biellman only have level 2?? what happened?

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at min 3.00 beautiful layback... SARAH MEIER

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Originally Posted by luisARG
at min 3.00 beautiful layback... SARAH MEIER
lovely

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Originally Posted by gkelly
See ISU Communication 1790 here

The features for spins are as follows:

All Spins
1) Difficult variations (count as many times as performed with limitations specified below)
2) Change of foot executed by jump
3) Jump within a spin without changing feet
4) Difficult variation of flying entrance/Landing on the same foot as take-off or changing foot on landing in a Flying Sit Spin
5) Backward entrance
6) Clear change of edge in sit (only from backward inside to forward outside), camel, Layback and Biellmann position
7) All 3 basic positions on both feet
8) Both directions immediately following each other in sit or camel spin
9) Clear increase of speed in camel, sit, layback or Biellmann position
10) At least 8 rev. without changes in position/variation, foot or edge (camel, layback, difficult variation of any basic position or for combinations only non-basic position)

Additional features for the Layback spin:
11) One clear change of position backwards-sideways or reverse, at least 3 rev. in each position (counts also if the Layback spin is a part of any other spin)
12) Biellmann position after Layback spin (SP–after 8 revolutions in layback spin
Can you explain why Polina Shelepen got a L4 on this spin (1:56)? Her change of edge is a basic upright spin, not layback or Biellmann.

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Originally Posted by leafygreens
Can you explain why Polina Shelepen got a L4 on this spin (1:56)? Her change of edge is a basic upright spin, not layback or Biellmann.
backwards entrance
I-spin (US)
(change of foot)
broken-leg (SS)

The spin should have been called level 3. Even if she had attempted the edge of change in an adequate position, her spin still would have been level three because only two features per foot can be given credit for spins with a change of foot.

To make her spin level 4: full eight revs. in the broken-leg position (in that clip she only does 7 rotations) or another difficult variation, such as corkscrew, cannonball or pancake.

EDIT: that's from the 2009-2010 season, and under the past rules the spin is accurately called level four.

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Originally Posted by Moment
backwards entrance
I-spin (US)
(change of foot)
broken-leg (SS)

The spin should have been called level 3. Even if she had attempted the edge of change in an adequate position, her spin still would have been level three because only two features per foot can be given credit for spins with a change of foot.

To make her spin level 4: full eight revs. in the broken-leg position (in that clip she only does 7 rotations) or another difficult variation, such as corkscrew, cannonball or pancake.
If there is only two features allowed per foot, then why would she include the change edge upright if it didn't count? For the broken leg- a difficult variation of 8 revs counts for two features?

Are there any features possible on upright spins?

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Originally Posted by leafygreens
If there is only two features allowed per foot, then why would she include the change edge upright if it didn't count? For the broken leg- a difficult variation of 8 revs counts for two features?

Are there any features possible on upright spins?
See above, I edited the post.

EDIT: does a difficult variation of 8 revs. count for two features? Yes.

Under the current rules a basic upright position does not allow for many features. Doing a difficult variation would solve a lot of that.

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