I've always been of the view that this is the general direction that things will go in the long term. In the short term, the issues are cost and institutional inertia. A related issue is that it doesn't make sense to install such elaborate systems just for measuring the rotational acceleration of spins. It would have to be in the context of a more wide-ranging technological overhaul of how skating is judged and presented. (I think I wrote a speculative piece on this a while back)
best laybacks and criteria to achieve level 4
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I wouldn't say that? The feature was take about for many seasons and just came back last season. There's not really much of a comparison to go off of since barely anyone attempted the feature last season. I think you just have to be smart about it. Do a classic layback position and then pull in with both the arms and the free leg. You're going to increase in speed and the change of arm/leg position makes it obvious.
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Julia has very unique layback
she starts with average speed in her spin to faster spin by changing the pace in of speed in edge of her blades
Julia's change in layback spin speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q002z500A-I
she starts with average speed in her spin to faster spin by changing the pace in of speed in edge of her blades
Julia's change in layback spin speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q002z500A-I
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Actually, I believe you have to stay in the same position for it to count in listening to tech panel people who have gone through some of the most recent training, which means no change of arms/leg position. If that's not true, then these folks are being taught something incorrectly/misunderstand what they are being taught which is the same thing...
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fastest laybacks: Viktoria Helgesson, Kiira Korpi, Valentina Marchei, Akiko Suzuki.... no end with biellman
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Yeah, that's the stupidest thing about this level feature. As far as I know, it's supposed to be an increase of speed once you're in the position. The problem is, how do you actually increase speed unless you change the position (i.e. pull the leg in closer or your arms tighter). Otherwise many skaters would have an "increase of speed" since usually their sit positions are much faster than their camel position preceding it, and the same with the layback having a slower initial layback but then as you pull the leg in for a haircutter the speed will increase.
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As long as you are staying in a Camel, Sit, Layback/Upright, or "intermediate" position and not going into a difficult variation of position, it counts as the same position. Although the rules don't include "intermediate" positions for the clear-increase-of-speed feature to be applicable.
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The opening spin in this program at the 1981 Worlds is the best classical layback I have seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwQ1C9rlHI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwQ1C9rlHI
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Nice back position and speed but to be nitpicking, she doesn't keep her free leg turned out and her foot points downwards.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIoMMCgwQyM
miki ando, lovely layback! at 5:00
miki ando, lovely layback! at 5:00
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I'm a huge fan of the Sims 3. In the game skating is a skill and once your Sims masters it, they can do some pretty neat spins. I just found this out last weekend when I was playing. They do a lovely layback, a leaning position, and finally a Pearl spin...and it's a Caroline Zhang circa 2007 level Pearl spin! I was so shocked and excited
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5xX8Z1dlAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=29
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5xX8Z1dlAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=29
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No discussion of classic laybacks is complete without a mention of Angela Nikodinov.
Youtube any of her performances. They all include an exquisite layback spin. She sometimes ended her programs with one, just because it had to pump the judges.
Youtube any of her performances. They all include an exquisite layback spin. She sometimes ended her programs with one, just because it had to pump the judges.
I'm a huge fan of the Sims 3. In the game skating is a skill and once your Sims masters it, they can do some pretty neat spins. I just found this out last weekend when I was playing. They do a lovely layback, a leaning position, and finally a Pearl spin...and it's a Caroline Zhang circa 2007 level Pearl spin! I was so shocked and excited
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5xX8Z1dlAs&feature=player_detailpage#t=29
Made my day! Really nice positions, though Caroline still does it better.
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i can't help but marvel at alissa's layback. nobody else does it like her. it is the highlight of each and every one of her programs and her choreographers always put it in the right place with the music. in every position she gains speed and not by intentionally pulling her arms or legs in, and i bet she could do whatever variation you ask of her.
in this combo spin she does a back beillmann http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igTgLpC2orQ&t=2m15s
this is my favorite program of alissa's and the absolute best part of the program they could have put the layback...omg sooo beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJk-vTcdjg&t=4m53s
in this combo spin she does a back beillmann http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igTgLpC2orQ&t=2m15s
this is my favorite program of alissa's and the absolute best part of the program they could have put the layback...omg sooo beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJk-vTcdjg&t=4m53sAgreed!!:yes:
http://youtu.be/z0xzyybMDFw
Her layback at 2:48.
I love her beautiful arm movement.
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another beautiful layback... KEXIN ZHANG! better than Li, Sotnikova, Lipnitskaya, Murakami .. she is so particular with her arms... georgous layback and biellman!
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