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best laybacks and criteria to achieve level 4

aftertherain

Record Breaker
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TO RECAP, most of these skaters have been listed:

For better "judging," I organized the list: :)

Pre-CoP (Before 2005):
  1. Denise Biellmann - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKYQxRteuis&t=2m18s
  2. Naomi Nari Nam - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S7EEHAM6nU&t=109s
  3. Nathalie Krieg - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCFJR2mBdKA&t=119s
  4. Peggy Fleming - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw9XZAA72lw&t=2m05s
  5. Angela Nikodinov - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LPg9MN0aJM&t=2m49s
  6. Caryn Kadavy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD2RQGw1ITE&t=0m50s
  7. Janet Lynn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbO1jsBWeFY&t=3m30s
  8. Dorothy Hamill - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcvoaPi9x-o&t=1m14s
  9. Tracey Wainman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwQ1C9rlHI&t=0m14s
  10. Yukina Ota - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xzyybMDFw&t=2m48s
  11. Lucinda Ruh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0fvU4wnp34&t=1m29s

Post-CoP (2005-present):
  1. Akiko Suzuki - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkkma4-__D4&t=1m15s
  2. Viktoria Helgesson - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9caBRBZyGM&t=1m20s
  3. Polina Korobeynikova - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npaGj2yGF4M&t=2m15s
  4. Alissa Czisny - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hJk-vTcdjg&t=4m53s
  5. Caroline Zhang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtu_eBx40LE&t=3m05s
  6. Ashley Wagner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tm1rxXZpB8&t=1m56s
  7. Adelina Sotnikova - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkQzXZ1ffrw&t=3m33s
  8. Julia Lipnitskaia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=easucWl6CqQ&t=4m16s
  9. Mirai Nagasu - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2R_HqZnz4&t=1m56s
  10. Elena Radionova - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnlHq18c0Fk&t=3m43s
  11. Sasha Cohen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94TgJGnuypQ&t=2m38s

To be honest, I think many of the pre-CoP skaters listed beat the post-CoP skaters in terms of an aesthetically-pleasing classic layback.

But this thread isn't really about the classic layback, anyway.
 

kwanatic

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But this thread isn't really about the classic layback, anyway.


I'll be posting a small rant on my blog either today or tomorrow about how the IJS is slowly phasing out the classic position layback spin.:mad: So many of the newer girls don't even bother trying to do it; they do that ugly side lean position and then go straight to some form of haircutter. I HATE it! :bang:
 

LuisRollerArg

On the Ice
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Aug 29, 2013
the only " real layback" actually in little girls is Karen Chen.. but judges only credit level 3.. the other girls do a "haircutter" an end in biellman.. no more classic layback for the new girls
 

GGoldberg

Match Penalty
Joined
Jun 18, 2013
You know who else had a lovely layback. Sandy Lenz. If you watch her performance from the 1980 Olympics in Lake Placid. Lovely free leg and arm positions. Really understood how to incorporate it into the music and create a "moment"
 

LuisRollerArg

On the Ice
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Aug 29, 2013
Elene Gedevanishvili had a beautiful layback and biellman in Oly 2006.. the actual biellman only have level 2?? what happened?
 

leafygreens

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 7, 2011
See ISU Communication 1790 here

The features for spins are as follows:

All Spins
1) Difficult variations (count as many times as performed with limitations specified below)
2) Change of foot executed by jump
3) Jump within a spin without changing feet
4) Difficult variation of flying entrance/Landing on the same foot as take-off or changing foot on landing in a Flying Sit Spin
5) Backward entrance
6) Clear change of edge in sit (only from backward inside to forward outside), camel, Layback and Biellmann position
7) All 3 basic positions on both feet
8) Both directions immediately following each other in sit or camel spin
9) Clear increase of speed in camel, sit, layback or Biellmann position
10) At least 8 rev. without changes in position/variation, foot or edge (camel, layback, difficult variation of any basic position or for combinations only non-basic position)

Additional features for the Layback spin:
11) One clear change of position backwards-sideways or reverse, at least 3 rev. in each position (counts also if the Layback spin is a part of any other spin)
12) Biellmann position after Layback spin (SP–after 8 revolutions in layback spin

Can you explain why Polina Shelepen got a L4 on this spin (1:56)? Her change of edge is a basic upright spin, not layback or Biellmann.
 

Moment

Final Flight
Joined
Jan 18, 2013
Can you explain why Polina Shelepen got a L4 on this spin (1:56)? Her change of edge is a basic upright spin, not layback or Biellmann.

backwards entrance
I-spin (US)
(change of foot)
broken-leg (SS)

The spin should have been called level 3. Even if she had attempted the edge of change in an adequate position, her spin still would have been level three because only two features per foot can be given credit for spins with a change of foot.

To make her spin level 4: full eight revs. in the broken-leg position (in that clip she only does 7 rotations) or another difficult variation, such as corkscrew, cannonball or pancake.

EDIT: that's from the 2009-2010 season, and under the past rules the spin is accurately called level four.
 

leafygreens

Final Flight
Joined
Mar 7, 2011
backwards entrance
I-spin (US)
(change of foot)
broken-leg (SS)

The spin should have been called level 3. Even if she had attempted the edge of change in an adequate position, her spin still would have been level three because only two features per foot can be given credit for spins with a change of foot.

To make her spin level 4: full eight revs. in the broken-leg position (in that clip she only does 7 rotations) or another difficult variation, such as corkscrew, cannonball or pancake.

If there is only two features allowed per foot, then why would she include the change edge upright if it didn't count? For the broken leg- a difficult variation of 8 revs counts for two features?

Are there any features possible on upright spins?
 

Moment

Final Flight
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Jan 18, 2013
If there is only two features allowed per foot, then why would she include the change edge upright if it didn't count? For the broken leg- a difficult variation of 8 revs counts for two features?

Are there any features possible on upright spins?

See above, I edited the post. :)

EDIT: does a difficult variation of 8 revs. count for two features? Yes.

Under the current rules a basic upright position does not allow for many features. Doing a difficult variation would solve a lot of that.
 
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