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    I just don't even care about a Hino! sure his program had more balance and he tried quad and 3a but the total bonus abuse of Chen racked up the points! I just think chens program is awful trash! CoP is awful trash!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I just don't even care about a Hino! sure his program had more balance and he tried quad and 3a but the total bonus abuse of Chen racked up the points! I just think chens program is awful trash! CoP is awful trash!
    Chen is a quality skater and did quality jumps and spins - that's all I really care about. The program, the jump layout...meh. When someone is that good it's exciting to watch regardless of the program or jump layout. And actually I thought Hino had improved, he had some really nice jumps. Still needs to commit more to the movements but hopefully that will come in time. Israeli boy was good too!

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    Hino's skating is so robotic it's hard to watch his program all the way through. He landed most of his jumps, but some were just eked out.

    I didn't much like the layout of Chen's program, or for that matter the music, but his elements were skillfully executed, even if they were horridly backloaded. He got +GOE on every single element! Nathan also could 'sell' the program a bit more, especially in the second half. He did make efforts to connect with the audience in the bare first half, but he was all business in the second half and the audience connection got lost.

    The Israeli boy Daniel Samohin was born in Israel but has lived in the US for many years. He was 4th at 2013 US Novice Nationals. I guess he didn't see much hope of getting international assignments for the US, so he switched to Israel. Daniel and Nathan both train at altitude at Lake Arrowhead, so they had no trouble with the Mexico City altitude, unlike some of the other skaters.

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    Nathan Chen's step sequence did not deserve such crazy high GOE. Five +3s are so unwarranted.

    Nam Nguyen's downgraded "triples" looked like doubles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Hino's TES is great but PCS still really low. If he could improve in that area he could be competitive on the senior level in Japan once Takahashi, Oda, and Kozuka retire which will likely be after this season. I wonder if he landed a quad, 74 is pretty high TES especially because he usually doesn't get much GOE on his spins or jumps other than 3a.
    I'm certain I saw somewhere that Kozuka mentioned this season wouldn't be his last.

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    I can definitely see an artistic improvement in trying to do different types of programs from Chen, as well as a physical improvement in that his jumps have more height (especially the combinations). However, I wish he'd hold his landings. Also, I feel like his programs this season are more difficult and complex in choreography, but don't necessarily suit him as well as his programs last year, particularly the free program.

    Absolutely ridiculous that Hino got full credit on his Quad Toe attempt. Evidently cheated just by looking at it, and even a downgrade if the judging panel were strict enough. The transitions in that program are minimal and his skating is something that just falls to the wayside as I watch. Sure, he's got good jumps, but he's really tentative going into them and has really scratchy landings. I want to appreciate his skating, but I just can't.

    Impressive skates from Samohin. Is this the first time Israel has gotten an international medal?

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    Chen is milking points by backloading his jumps
    good strategy and preventing another injury, he's still very young

    and nice a medal for Israel

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    If you are Nathan, what are you going to do? His first half showed great stamina and flow, but his weakness IS his jumping ability. So, what do you do? Backload the program and maximize the points. Even though he has backloaded his program, it is not as if he is standing around, flapping his arms in the first half-his first half DOES take stamina, and he is a very well conditioned athlete. However, I can't help thinking that this may be as good as it will get for him. His jumps are tiny, and I can't see him ever being able to master the 3a or a quad. He is a beautiful and gifted skater, but I do not think he can ever be competitive in todays' figure skating environment.

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    He did 3a last season and I'm sure he will do it again once he recovers from his injuries. And as for the jumps being tiny, he's 4'9" so that's to be expected. When he grows, we'll have a better idea of what to expect from him in the future. Bear in mind that at this age, Jason Brown had 2 triples, and Joshua Farris, who in general has been ahead of the pack in terms of his technical abilities, was not yet doing 3a either. And they were the top 2 finishers at JW this past season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katymay View Post
    If you are Nathan, what are you going to do? His first half showed great stamina and flow, but his weakness IS his jumping ability. So, what do you do? Backload the program and maximize the points. Even though he has backloaded his program, it is not as if he is standing around, flapping his arms in the first half-his first half DOES take stamina, and he is a very well conditioned athlete. However, I can't help thinking that this may be as good as it will get for him. His jumps are tiny, and I can't see him ever being able to master the 3a or a quad. He is a beautiful and gifted skater, but I do not think he can ever be competitive in todays' figure skating environment.
    what ? your assessment is too early for a 14 year old boy who is less than 5 feet tall
    you'll hvae to wait for a few more years to have a better picture of his jumps/ full physical abilities 4 or 5 years from now

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    He did 3a last season and I'm sure he will do it again once he recovers from his injuries. And as for the jumps being tiny, he's 4'9" so that's to be expected. When he grows, we'll have a better idea of what to expect from him in the future. Bear in mind that at this age, Jason Brown had 2 triples, and Joshua Farris, who in general has been ahead of the pack in terms of his technical abilities, was not yet doing 3a either. And they were the top 2 finishers at JW this past season.
    He did clean solo however he would not deserve to get huge Goe and massive PcS
    Because of he is cute and he is young
    His solo is not well balance and there is no artistic factor
    Specially for the second half nothing else than jump and jump from corners to corners
    Cannot deny his talent, gifted, and well trained.
    He had very little speed, jump tiny no elegant landing, how he can get all huge bonus points for these

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    How are Chen's scores and marks any different from the tiny 13 year old Russian girls scoring so well on the JGP? Chen's jumps are small, so are Sotskova's, Medeeva's, and Radionova's, because guess what they are all small people. That doesn't mean they are not talented and deserve to be marked down for their jumps which are otherwise cleanly landed and nicely executed. I'm confused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    How are Chen's scores and marks any different from the tiny 13 year old Russian girls scoring so well on the JGP? Chen's jumps are small, so are Sotskova's, Medeeva's, and Radionova's, because guess what they are all small people. That doesn't mean they are not talented and deserve to be marked down for their jumps which are otherwise cleanly landed and nicely executed. I'm confused?
    A difference with the Russian girls the technical content. With the Triple lutz-triple toes or loops combos!

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    Chen received high 6s and low 7s for his artistry, which is correct. The fluidity of his blade between turns as well as his sheer variety of moves show off his skating skills nicely, though he doesn't have the power or speed yet due to its size. When the music switches to Summertime, he has the control and movement to interpret it well with softer arms and leg lines. Again, he could improve dramatically, but low 7s are appropriate.

    Where Chen gets positive GOEs is in the fast, usually centered spins. His footwork goes from turn to turn very quickly, to the point that I'm not sure whether he will be able to keep it up as he grows. I would give him +2s on his footwork since the edges aren't that deep yet.

    His jumps are cleanly landed, have a high rate of rotation, and are high for his height. He's fairly confident going into jumps and you don't see him hesitate much at all. I agree that some of this jumps are a bit overmarked, but I would generally give them +1s on average.

    My criticism, though, is that he needs to emphasize his moves more. I almost wish his SP was his LP and his LP was his SP. He moves well beyond his years in the SP to Vivaldi than Chattanooga Choo Choo, where he really looks like a junior kid.

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