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Thread: Can Yuzuru Hanyu close the gap on Patrick Chan?

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    I don't wish Patrick any bad luck. He had the misfortune of peaking between Olympics, but he is still the defending world champion going into Sochi. The burden is on the other guys to knock him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I don't wish Patrick any bad luck. He had the misfortune of peaking between Olympics, but he is still the defending world champion going into Sochi. The burden is on the other guys to knock him out.
    Based on scoring, I think he can zamboni during the entirety of SP & LP and still win OGM.

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    I'm just impressed by his effortless jumps...
    Of course figure skating should be judged as a total package, being so young and lack of experience, he needs lots more to go to be top of the world. But on the other hand, in Olympics anything can be happened.

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    Hanyu's presentation style isn't my cup of tea, but I acknowledge that he is quite good and can certainly beat Chan. Given that neither skater typically goes clean over the two programs, if Hanyu can make fewer errors than Chan it should be very close between them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia01
    Based on scoring, I think he can zamboni during the entirety of SP & LP and still win OGM.
    Yeah of course, like at the GPF 2012

    Patrick isn't unbeatable, he peaked and while he holds his level quite well (which is impressive given that this level is anything but low), others have closed the gap. But for whatever reason there are still people doing this 'he will win anyway'-boo-boo-whining stuff, which the last season clearly showed isn't true. If Patrick manages to skate well, he has all the chances to win the OGM. But he is defintily not a shoe-in, not in the least.
    Yuzuru is amazing and I really, really love him, but he's a little bit of a wildcard to me. He never managed to connect to his Notre Dame FS, and it will depend on his new FS a lot. But if he really manages to skate well at the Olympics, I'd expect a monster of a score. It depends on his health too...
    He's still 18 though, who knows how good he can become in the years to follow!

    My favorite for the OGM right now though would be Javier. His skates from Euros last year were by far the closest to clean we've seen this last season from the top contenders, and it would have easily made him the world champion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    Patrick isn't unbeatable, he peaked and while he holds his level quite well (which is impressive given that this level is anything but low), others have closed the gap. But for whatever reason there are still people doing this 'he will win anyway'-boo-boo-whining stuff, which the last season clearly showed isn't true. If Patrick manages to skate well, he has all the chances to win the OGM. But he is defintily not a shoe-in, not in the least.
    What we learned from Worlds last year is that there are only a handful of men capable of beating him. Ten could not have skated much better and still lost, so probably Hanyu, Dai, Javier, and Evgeny make up the list of men who could beat Patrick in Sochi. If Plushenko is clean, the arena is going to erupt and his scores will be through the roof; Patrick would have to skate his best to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    What we learned from Worlds last year is that there are only a handful of men capable of beating him. Ten could not have skated much better and still lost, so probably Hanyu, Dai, Javier, and Evgeny make up the list of men who could beat Patrick in Sochi. If Plushenko is clean, the arena is going to erupt and his scores will be through the roof; Patrick would have to skate his best to win.
    I reallly don't see Plushenko as a contender. The other guys have reached his level technically and several including Hanyu execute more cleanly with better lines and flow. His body is beat up, he's old by figure skating standards, and even though the venue is Russia I doubt he can outscore the likes of Javi, Dai, Patrick, Yuzuru and possibly Ten.

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    If Plushenko skates two "perfect" programs and nobody else does, I'm pretty sure he will win. As long as he gives exciting performances like at 2012 Euros (he'll need a Quad in the SP, though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
    What we learned from Worlds last year is that there are only a handful of men capable of beating him. Ten could not have skated much better and still lost, so probably Hanyu, Dai, Javier, and Evgeny make up the list of men who could beat Patrick in Sochi. If Plushenko is clean, the arena is going to erupt and his scores will be through the roof; Patrick would have to skate his best to win.
    True, but that still means Chan isn't guaranteed the OGM. And it's been discussed to death, but for me he deserved to be placed over Ten (LP was backloaded, empty programs, he was very nervous and tight...). I'm pretty sure even though Ten is very talented, there are actually quite a few men who would beat them if they were clean - like Kozuka, Aaron, Reynolds, maybe even Amodio or Brezina...
    And if Plush manages two clean skates with quads, he'll be really tough to beat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia01 View Post
    Based on scoring, I think he can zamboni during the entirety of SP & LP and still win OGM.
    I think this is just a point of view perpetuated by his critics. Clearly he's lost competitions where he has made errors across his SP and LP and lost (Skate Canada, GPF, World Team Trophy), even ones where he only fell once or twice over the course of both programs (and when those who placed higher than him have fallen, at that).

    Yuzuru is still my pick for the OGM winner (even though Chan is an obvious choice). His PCS is catching up to Patrick but will not surpass him, but he does get excellent GOE on his elements and can certainly land 2 or 3 quads. Let's not forget that before Worlds, Hanyu also broke Chan's world record SP twice. The FS is his issue, but I would think that his issues would be sorted out a lot more this season. His axels are money jumps for him too. Interestingly enough, he had the highest TES in the FS of last year's Worlds.

    I think a lot of people are pegging Javier to win, based on his Euro's performance, but he has yet to duplicate that. Javier also doesn't have the most consistent SP. As for Chan, he's been showing vulnerability in the past season, but still shows capability to land both quads, and needs to maintain focus in the rest of his program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    If Plushenko skates two "perfect" programs and nobody else does, I'm pretty sure he will win. As long as he gives exciting performances like at 2012 Euros (he'll need a Quad in the SP, though).
    I don't even think Plushenko has to be perfect, he just has to be cleaner than Patrick to win. I don't think people should rule him out based on previous best scores because when this event is in Russia you can throw all those out; Yuna beat her previous best by 15 points in Vancouver so if you bring it at the games you can get some great scores, particularly someone who has won OGM or OSM at the last 3 Olympics. (All this is assuming he comes with the necessary technical merit, without a quad he has no chance of gold)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    If Plushenko skates two "perfect" programs and nobody else does, I'm pretty sure he will win. As long as he gives exciting performances like at 2012 Euros (he'll need a Quad in the SP, though).
    Well if any of the top guys skate two perfect programs and nobody else does they'll win. The chance of Plushenko skating perfectly and everyone else faltering is about nil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    . Interestingly enough, he had the highest TES in the FS of last year's Worlds.
    Yuzuru managed to earn 5 spots in London Worlds even if he was in a very miserable physical condition and his Notre Dame FS choreo was inadeuquate and unsuitable for him.

    Nonetheless Hanyu had the highest TES in Nice Worlds , where he earned 4 spots with his epic R&J FS and grabbed the bronze medal .

    We can definitely say Yuzu is a FS skater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msteach3 View Post
    The chance of Plushenko skating perfectly and everyone else faltering is about nil.
    How do you figure? He has accomplished that very thing far more than anyone else...

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    Yuzuru is an EXCITING skater.
    The excitement comes from :
    1. The very high quality of his elements and the undoubtable "wow" factor.
    2.His vulnerabity and not enough masculine style ( we look at him as our child, and it creates him a real supportive attitude around).

    I think, when Chan is clean Hanyu is nowhere near to him.

    The real question is Patrick Chan. When he has "his" day, nobody can recently catch him.
    If not, at least 4 others can win and Hanyu is one of them.

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