How about Yuzuru?, when you watch him live, is there a chance for him to close gap with Chan?
Originally Posted by yyyskate
Oh boy this screams of Russian conspiracy theories again. Some things never change. For goodness sakes if you never believe the best man wins, why do you continue watching?
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
Yuzu was in a very bad health condition at the time. So what I saw did not reflect his true strength. even not at his best, Yuzu's jumping forms (good ones) are very tight, pretty, neat! However, his performance was a bit frantic. I was really impressed by his determination to win. you can tell from his face. I don't know if Yuzu will close gap with Chan, according to this one live competition I watched them together, I think, Yuzu need to learn condition himself better in big competitions. and he needs to improve his stamina and skating skills as well. Honestly, Yuzu's performance did not impress me as Patrick's at this one competition. And I am a fan of Yuzu's. I am not a fan of Patrick's or Dai's, although I appreciate their skating. I was completely surprised and blew away by Patrick's SP and expected a great artistic performance from Dai, and indeed you can feel his emotion ooze out, Dai is a master! Javi was very impressive as well. Compare to Yuzu, I feel he has a little bit better ice presence.
Originally Posted by treeloving
2013 worlds is indeed the first live figure skating competition I watched live, So I am not biased and with a fresh eye. Among all the performances in this particular competition, Patrick's SP was really impressive. I also watched Dai's performance. Honestly, I feel if they both skate clean, Patrick will have a bit higher PCS, Dai has better facial expression and subtlety and emotion, Patrick wins atmosphere, ice presence. In short, Patrick's skating is a little bigger than Dai's if you know what I mean. All the programs you recommended are my favorites. I guess we have pretty similar taste. Unfortunately, I did not watch any of them live. If I did, I am sure I will be blew away as well.
Originally Posted by Aesthetics
Yuzuru Hanyu's Romeo and Juliet at 2012 Worlds is the worst "artistic" figure skating performance I've ever seen.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion. I think it certainly was an excellent skate and was artistically strong... far from the worst artistic performance ever, BUT certainly not one of the best artistic skates ever as some claim. He fell while simply skating around and it clearly shook him for more than just a few seconds and was disruptive to the program.
Originally Posted by Moment
Skating is art, if you let it be.
I think that reaction is really sad. It's a wonderful CoP program and he clearly felt the music and performed like few can. The only problem with it is the spin before his second footwork sequence, where he holds that ungainly position and loses speed for 8 revolutions just to gain the level feature. Blah.
It's a good program, and the elements were very well executed, but he performed it like a junior coming up out of the ranks (which of course, he was at the time).
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
Maybe it's my imagination, but I think the Eurosport guys compared the emergence of Hanyu to the emergence of Plushenko as a 15 year-old. His appearance is juniorish but I don't think his performance was.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
10-03-2013, 12:26 AM
Plushenko was technically very solid as a 15 year old (and in general), but Hanyu has mounds more talent and artistry. His movements were junior-ish at the 2012 Worlds, but IMO, his choreography has always been better than Plushenko's ever was. He's more fluid, has actual transitions in between his jumps.
Originally Posted by BlackPack
I can picture them making that comparison due to Hanyu's potential to really dominate. Unfortunately he hasn't had the consistency that Plushenko has (few, if any, have). On his best day, these days, he could rival Chan (well, Chan with some errors), but he hasn't had many clean competitions. I hope we'll see a different Hanyu this season.
10-03-2013, 04:19 AM
Very true! Plushenko needs 2 quads and a great program to beat Chan or Fernandez or etc. In my opinion no home boost can replace the technical content and especially a healthy body.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
Hanyu needs more consistency to close the gap with PChan. Fernandez needs three quads , Chan needs to be clean.
Let's see who's able to meet the requirements and win the OGM.
10-03-2013, 04:39 AM
Well, I haven't read all posts, but I just wanted to say as Hanyu's fan that he admires and respects all Plushenko, Takahashi and Chan as great skaters
10-03-2013, 08:54 AM
Yup. However, if the guys skate as they did in this past Worlds, a clean Plushenko with only 1 quad should win. But it's unlikely to have the guys bomb so hard in an Olympic year. Who knows though, with everyone trying to win, the increased difficulty might result in more errors. I mean, it's not the easiest thing to do a program with 2 quads, 2 axels and a 3-3 sequence and hit everything.
Originally Posted by ciocio
10-03-2013, 09:26 AM
After the outcry at worlds, I don't think any skater who falls two or more times (unless the others fall even more) is going to get an OGM.
10-03-2013, 09:55 AM
To be honest, I am not sure and more leaning towards : unlikely as the answer to OP. The reason being Hanyu has some serious stamina issue. At the 2013 Worlds which I attended, it was obvious to everyone in the rink that Hanyu was struggling to complete his LP. He may have completed most of his elements, but he was so laborious and slow about it that the judges really couldn't hold him up because Hanyu became painfully slow in the middle of his skate. This may not have been terribly obvious on TV, but live, even people who aren't knowledgeable about skating could tell he was struggling.
This isn't the first time Hanyu has this problem. When he is on, he can light up an arena. But when he struggles, he bombs very badly. Considering London isn't a high altitude place like Colorado Springs, I see no reason why Hanyu failed to condition himself properly.
Sochi is not going be any easier because it can actually get quite humid in the sub-tropical environment. Granted, the arena will likely have filtered air, it makes you wonder if there is a place in this world where Hanyu can skate without falling victim of his own stamina / asthma issue?