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Thread: Can Yuzuru Hanyu close the gap on Patrick Chan?

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    Regarding Patrick, I was really impressed by his SP at 2013 worlds, not talking about LP, not debating should he win gold or not.
    Just really impressed by that one performance. That's it. So I think he is an artist at least in that performance.

    Further I emphasized I am not a particular fan of Patrick, just wanna point out that, that performance hit me by surprise.
    the same about Yuzu, since I am a fan of Yuzu (due to his musicality, personality etc...), I will bias towards Yuzu a bit if their performance on par. but on that day, Yuzu unfortunately is not at his best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyyskate View Post
    I am not a fan of Patrick's until I watched 13 worlds live, comparing with other skaters, his skating really is magical. especially that atmosphere he creates on ice using his whole body. It was so different from watching on TV or on computer screen. Comparing to other skaters even Dai (he is magical too), If I am a judge, I will give Patrick the highest PCS hands down. Now, I totally understand why judges like Patrick so much, because every time they watch him skating so close, they cannot escape his magic. All the audience around me feel the same. Patrick is not perfect on the screen. But he is indeed magical when watching him skating live.

    "total lack of emotion or passion in his skating" You would not want to say that if you watch his skating live. As least from the reaction of the audience near me, they all went completely silent, until the end of his SP, then with "tears" in their eyes and mumbling "magical, magical...” At least Patrick has won me over, a decade from now, I will recommend his SP to other people as one of the greatest artistic masterpiece performance in skating history.
    I have to say that I haven't seen this magical quality in him yet. I admire him but don't get the transported feeling I get from Daisuke. But your detailed description will help me to give Chan a harder look, and I'll specifically hunt for the SP to watch more closely. Thanks.

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    I understand why he said Orser. Exceptionally fully agree with him.
    IFS magazine:
    "I tell Yuzu especially not to read what is written about him on the Internet. Quite by accident, I stumbled upon a chat site and started reading the comments. Some people can be really nasty. These people have totally inaccurate information and write personal slams against people they have never met. I have told all of my students not to read what these people write, and, if they do, not to get wrapped up in it. Some people are just bullies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    It's a good program, and the elements were very well executed, but he performed it like a junior coming up out of the ranks (which of course, he was at the time).
    He didn't at all perform like a Junior, dude. His understanding of the music and his movement was far beyond a Junior and far beyond most other Senior competitors as well. Just look at his 3Lutz-2Toe combination at Worlds and how he is slightly off on the Lutz, but then goes on to add the combination with arms over his head and HOLDS his arms exactly in time with the music and then does turns and releases his arms with wonderful lyricism. Hanyu's program is filled with these moments and he excels not only with the introspective ones like this, but also with the fiery and explosive passages.

    I've never seen Patrick Chan do a competitive performance with that level of emotion and unity with the music, nor that level of range. Patrick's basic skating ability is so phenomenal that it generates excitement and interest on its own, but the way he uses his body is comparatively limited and his movement rarely feels like it is something he NEEDS to express and that he is driven by the music to express. He just doesn't have that artistic desire. I think he has definitely been trying hard to become a performer, but there are things you just can't teach. You have to be born with it or have life experiences that give you the insight/stimulus.

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    Plushy's quad lutz attemt in 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yEvVzq_uyA we can see his technic closely

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Plushy's quad lutz attemt in 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yEvVzq_uyA we can see his technic closely
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSfJ1KMaUw <-- 7:28, on that 2Lz, I can sort of see what people mean by the pick is more onto the flat of the blade than other skaters' lutzes. I think for all intents and purposes it's a lutz, though as he's not pushing off the flat of the blade, he's vaulting off of the leg picking in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSfJ1KMaUw <-- 7:28, on that 2Lz, I can sort of see what people mean by the pick is more onto the flat of the blade than other skaters' lutzes. I think for all intents and purposes it's a lutz, though as he's not pushing off the flat of the blade, he's vaulting off of the leg picking in.
    as I understand a LUTZ jump, the picking leg is an assisting leg, the weight should not be transferred 100% to the picking leg. the left(jumping leg)also plays an important role in lutz jump.

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    Jeez, I knew this would happen. Anyway, as long as the judges would regard Plushenko's Luz as Luz, it is enough. Whether other people would have doubt is irrelevant.

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    Please do not drag fights from other boards to Golden Skate. We are here to discuss skating, not each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyyskate View Post
    as I understand a LUTZ jump, the picking leg is an assisting leg, the weight should not be transferred 100% to the picking leg. the left(jumping leg)also plays an important role in lutz jump.
    The left leg is for stability, but for most lutzes, the weight almost full transfers to the picking leg and there's a split second when the left foot is rising up into the air while the picking leg is planted into the ice to vault the skater up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21woRiBqrks -- at 6:30 I think it's apparent why people compare it to a loop. I never noticed that before... his right foot is turned so inwards when he picks, and indeed, it looks like he's on an outside edge as he's taking off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    He didn't at all perform like a Junior, dude. His understanding of the music and his movement was far beyond a Junior and far beyond most other Senior competitors as well. Just look at his 3Lutz-2Toe combination at Worlds and how he is slightly off on the Lutz, but then goes on to add the combination with arms over his head and HOLDS his arms exactly in time with the music and then does turns and releases his arms with wonderful lyricism. Hanyu's program is filled with these moments and he excels not only with the introspective ones like this, but also with the fiery and explosive passages.

    I've never seen Patrick Chan do a competitive performance with that level of emotion and unity with the music, nor that level of range. Patrick's basic skating ability is so phenomenal that it generates excitement and interest on its own, but the way he uses his body is comparatively limited and his movement rarely feels like it is something he NEEDS to express and that he is driven by the music to express. He just doesn't have that artistic desire. I think he has definitely been trying hard to become a performer, but there are things you just can't teach. You have to be born with it or have life experiences that give you the insight/stimulus.
    That is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Hanyu's arms in particular were rather sloppy in the second half, not to mention, he fell while stroking around and it clearly winded the poor guy and disrupted the program (though I do love how some ubers are like "It went with the music/It went with the whole fragility of Romeo", just like people saying things like "Kostner's falls at Worlds went with the music" ).

    My phrasing should have been "he performed it like a skater just coming out of the junior ranks" (although I suppose you'd still disagree with me). It was still artistic and very well-executed, but certainly not one of the best artistic performances as some are saying it is (that disruptive fall in particular saw to that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSfJ1KMaUw <-- 7:28, on that 2Lz, I can sort of see what people mean by the pick is more onto the flat of the blade than other skaters' lutzes. I think for all intents and purposes it's a lutz, though as he's not pushing off the flat of the blade, he's vaulting off of the leg picking in.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP4lLmK6TPU Brandon's Lutz, I can't see too much differents..

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    (though I do love how some ubers are like "It went with the music/It went with the whole fragility of Romeo", just like people saying things like "Kostner's falls at Worlds went with the music" ).
    While according to Chanbots like yourself Chan's numerous falls that supposably "deservedly" (snickers) win gold medals over cleaner performances must show "amazing skating skills, the manner of the falls still showed such great blade control, style, elegance, and was done with such speed and class." You are the biggest hypocrite ever to be daring to mock people not paying enough credence to falls by Kostner or Hanyu. Truly laughable beyond words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    While according to Chanbots like yourself Chan's numerous falls that supposably "deservedly" (snickers) win gold medals over cleaner performances must show "amazing skating skills, the manner of the falls still showed such great blade control, style, elegance, and was done with such speed and class." You are the biggest hypocrite ever to be daring to mock people not paying enough credence to falls by Kostner or Hanyu. Truly laughable beyond words.
    IMO, when it comes to Mocking and Crystal Ball gazing, PTF reigns supreme. Truly unbeatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    While according to Chanbots like yourself Chan's numerous falls that supposably "deservedly" (snickers) win gold medals over cleaner performances must show "amazing skating skills, the manner of the falls still showed such great blade control, style, elegance, and was done with such speed and class." You are the biggest hypocrite ever to be daring to mock people not paying enough credence to falls by Kostner or Hanyu. Truly laughable beyond words.

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