I will post the notes and marks taken at GPF shortly. Hanyu won the GPF, no doubt about it. However, that FS score of his repeating, don't count on it.
That guy Chan's spins are nothing to write home about, so if he's getting high GOE on them, he shouldn't be. Also, I'm confused. I didn't see Chan doing a 4S at GPF, so unless Chan is planning on doing one at Sochi, why should Hanyu? The idea that one person has to do a 4S and 4T plus two 3As to have a chance against someone with two 4Ts and one 3A (that are of worse quality) is the kind of thing that makes some people not consider figure skating a real sport.
Hanyu was great at the Grand Prix Final, but I still think Chan is the front runner. For whatever reason, Chan had no zip last week. But IMHO Chan's effort at TEB remains the best men's performance of the season. Both Chan and Hanyu will have to come loaded for bear in Sochi. We'll see.
I agree that the PCS gap really benefits top favourites. Certainly Yuzuru is a favourite to win Sochi (for a while he was my pick, although I think Chan's gotten himself together, but Yuzuru's 4S is a huge question mark).
As far as quality goes, Patrick has excellent quality on his quads... I think due to his inconsistency with his 3A people assume the quality is bad, but when he lands it as good as he can, it's powerful. Yuzu certainly does his with more ease though. Spins wise, Chan has textbook basic positions and cross-foot too (the GPF crossfoot was quite out of the norm for him) -- not really many original/interesting positions, but not many of the men (other than Brown and Yuzu, really) have those. He also has an excellent death drop sit spin with huge height and extension, IMO. Both him and Yuzu have the best spins, IMO (with edge maybe going to Hanyu for his variety)... although ironically, they both occasionally have silly mistakes with them.
I agree that jumps aren't everything. They do count for a lot though (see Tara vs Michelle!) I don't recall the exact comp you're referring to with Goebel, but Yagudin and Plushenko also had excellent jumps and usually were technically superior to the field when they won. At GPF, Chan's jumps looked solid for the most part but were smaller relative to Hanyu's. He did not have the difficult entrances that Hanyu had. In terms of artistry, I thought they were both similarly good. Chan certainly seemed like a very good skater, but I just didn't see any area where Chan was SO superior to the field that he should be allowed to do one less 3A and no 4S.
^^^Patrick does not seemed like a very good skater? He is the currently the best. Hanyu's skating skills is still below Patrick's and Daisuke's. He may have speed but he does not have the complex transitions.
His jumps are just a good as Hanyu's and no means small as you propagated. Hanyu just had a 3A extra to raise his BV.
CanadianSkaterGuy, you are overreacting too much.
Even I think "perfect" Chan will beat perfect Hanyu. Many people (ISU/member federations except the Canadian) are not happy with the situation that the OGM is readily picked up by Chan, even with faulty performances. They ha learned the lessons from the farce of London worlds. Hanyu is expected to be a rivals to make the game more interesting and force Chan to skate with more seriousness. If Hanyu lands all jumps, Chan can't afford any major errors, anything bigger than one stepping out or a double salchow.
Plushenko did everything he could to make up for a fall in the short: 4T+3T+3Lo, 4T, and 3A+half-loop+3F.
Yagudin did two quads but only one of his two planned triple Axels. Scott Hamilton. commenting on television, said that Yagudin was conceding the LP.
Yagudin got first place ordinals from every judge and collected four 6.0s in presentation to win the gold.
Last edited by Mathman; 12-09-2013 at 10:28 PM.
Hanyu is now a legitimate threat. So yes to the OP's question.
And to know you are serious about that...Originally Posted by wallylutz
Hanyu is a better spinner than Chan, quite often Chan gets higher GOE on his spins than he should. They're really close in GOE, like it or not.