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    Mirai is and has always been a wildcard skater. She's that skater who, if she fires on all cylinders, you can't help but notice. When she skates with speed, attack and personality, she's amazing. It's just very rare that she does that nowadays.

    I think Mirai is in contention for that 3rd spot but it will require a very good season followed by a fabulous showing at nationals. She has two tough assignments this season: NHK and COR. NHK is by far the most stacked competition of the season: Mao, Akiko, Elena, Zijun, Gracie, Satoko and Alena. I will probably need a defibrillator if Mirai manages to medal at this event; top 5 will be an achievement. Cup of Russia is going to be tough too but top 5 is a possibility there. Medaling will be a long shot for Mirai this season but if she skates well and posts good scores, that will help her when nationals rolls around.

    The field is pretty deep for that 3rd spot: Courtney, Agnes and Christina are favorites but then you also have newer skaters like Polina, Samantha or Angela who could make a splash and upset for that 3rd spot. Mirai will have to fight like crazy if she wants on that team this year. I'm not sure about her chances right now but I do want to see her have a solid season. She did very well last year; it was just rotten luck that she was sick at nationals. It was like her bad FS basically erased all of the good she'd done the season before.

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    This is my favorite Mirai Nagasu program. She absolutely deserved this title, but I guess USFS wanted to send "Reliable Rachael" into the Olympics as their star, yarrite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJX0_QqCTE

    Just a horribly judged event. I so hope that the politiK doesn't get the better of the event. Rachael was second or third at best. Too bad Ashley bombed her SP. Then again it seemed the USFS wanted Reliable Rock Rachael as their number one even though she had no presentation, no personality (oh I'm sorry, she's BUBBLY!!) and no PCS. Uggh. Olympic years are always bad with politik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    This is my favorite Mirai Nagasu program. She absolutely deserved this title, but I guess USFS wanted to send "Reliable Rachael" into the Olympics as their star, yarrite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJX0_QqCTE

    Just a horribly judged event. I so hope that the politiK doesn't get the better of the event. Rachael was second or third at best. Too bad Ashley bombed her SP. Then again it seemed the USFS wanted Reliable Rock Rachael as their number one even though she had no presentation, no personality (oh I'm sorry, she's BUBBLY!!) and no PCS. Uggh. Olympic years are always bad with politik.
    I am kind of happy Ashley didn't make it that year because it lit a fire under her and made her the champion she is today. She isn't the best skater in the world but I feel like she is making the most of her gifts now.

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    It is amazing how changed bodies affect skating-see Rachel Flatt, C Zhang and Mirai. I really feel a slight difference in heaviness slows someone down, Courtney gets slammed for her stocky little frame. Diversity is good.t not in skating bodies I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I am kind of happy Ashley didn't make it that year because it lit a fire under her and made her the champion she is today. She isn't the best skater in the world but I feel like she is making the most of her gifts now.
    If that were true Ashley would have come alive in the 2010-2011 season, which she didnt in the least. In fact after 2011 season many were counting her out as even being a contender at the U.S level anymore (I admit I was one of those). I dont think Ashley's surge was borne out of her dissapointment of missing the Olympic team. It came from determination to finally step up to the next level before it was too late, and newfound confidence and momentum of some good early season performances in fall 2011; and also a look around at Czisny and Flatt (the perceived U.S leaders at the time) struggling, and realizing she had a golden opportunity to take charge of U.S womens skating for the first time in her career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    This is my favorite Mirai Nagasu program. She absolutely deserved this title, but I guess USFS wanted to send "Reliable Rachael" into the Olympics as their star, yarrite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJX0_QqCTE

    Just a horribly judged event. I so hope that the politiK doesn't get the better of the event. Rachael was second or third at best. Too bad Ashley bombed her SP. Then again it seemed the USFS wanted Reliable Rock Rachael as their number one even though she had no presentation, no personality (oh I'm sorry, she's BUBBLY!!) and no PCS. Uggh. Olympic years are always bad with politik.
    Sending Flatt to the Olympics as #1 was always a waste. It is fine to send Rachael to major events as your #2 or #3 (although by 2011 she shouldnt have even been sent as that, and again the USFsA overrated and sent her to Worlds, a big mistake like I predicted at the time), but never as your #1. I read that the USFSA was even promoting her a gold contender for the Games. LOL how was that going to happen, atleast 5 falls from Yu Na Kim, and probably atleast 2 falls from both Asada and Rochette, atleast 1 fall from Ando, Lepisto, and Kostner even, while Flatt had the skates of a lifetime? She had NO potential as a possible medal winner at the World level even at her best. International judges rated her as strictly 2nd tier, and no amount of over the top USFSA pushing would ever change that. She was consistent a solid, a good skater to help get 3 U.S spots back (which the U.S would have had Czisny and Nagasu done their jobs at the 09 and 2010 Worlds, although ironically Nagasu still was the top American at the 2010 Worlds despite the blown opportunity), but no more than that.

    Imagine had Nagasu gone to the Olympics as U.S #1. She might have medaled after her skates of a lifetime, and Joannie (and Asada) making mistakes in the LP. Instead she barely took 4th, a long way off 3rd place, while reliable Rachael came 7th even with 2 clean skates.

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    No way was Mirai gonna win over Mao or Jro. Crazy to think it.

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    After Mirai's Nationals skate, that I posted, she apparently got three or four downgrades. !!!! That last 3toe where she missed her pick was questionable, but all her other jumps looked sound, or as sound as the heavyset Reliable Rachael at that point. You knew something was up. Reliable Rachael was BARELY getting her growing body around, which at least the Olympic judges recognized when they trashed her at the Olympics, but no at Nats she's the queen and Nagasu just has to wait her turn I suppose. I think most skating audiences are people like me who go out of my way to attend. We aren't bumpkins. And when Nagasu started getting applause and ovation 30 seconds to the end of her program, we all saw the WINNER. Nope, it was Reliable Rachael and her polite and somewhat embarrassed applause. And poor Mirai seemed to have mental issues about competing, gee I wonder wonder why?

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    I'm the biggest Mirai fan. At this point, i will just wish her luck and hope for the best. I want her on the podium, 3rd or whatever. Making the Olympic team again would be a huge accomplishment, although making it once is an accomplishment as well.

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    I have always always been a Mirai fan, since she beat Zhang at Jrs. So much there, so much potential. Sometimes people are afraid of reaching their potential. I just wish to her this year she chooses music that makes her happy, and that she skates to her heart's content. She has everything. Except the heart. Oh god that sounds like "Center Stage" where the queen tells her mom "You didn't have the feet, I don't have the heart...". Let's hope she gets her heart into it this year.

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    Mirai just skated the SP at Finlandia. She scored 54.01, with a technical score of 25.81 which is quite low. I watched it on Finnish TV, and her jumps looked UR to me. I guess they looked that way to the tech team as well. Mirai looked happy after she'd skated, but disappointed after she heard her score.

    Still to skate: Lipnitskaia, Tuktamysheva, Suzuki, Shoji, and Lam.

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    [QUOTE=chuckm;770116]Mirai just skated the SP at Finlandia. She scored 54.01, with a technical score of 25.81 which is quite low. I watched it on Finnish TV, and her jumps looked UR to me. I guess they looked that way to the tech team as well. Mirai looked happy after she'd skated, but disappointed after she heard her score.

    Another instance where having instant access to protocols would be so helpful. Hearing they are doing 'open' or at least available protocols at Cup of Nice. Hope this becomes a trend.

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    Lipnitskaia just scored 65.49 with TES 36.37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    It is amazing how changed bodies affect skating-see Rachel Flatt, C Zhang and Mirai. I really feel a slight difference in heaviness slows someone down, Courtney gets slammed for her stocky little frame. Diversity is good.t not in skating bodies I guess.
    I think FS is even less forgiving than ballet at times. The laws of physics don't play favorites w/ anybody.

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    I was reading an old book by Gelsey Kirland, tiny prima ballereina with NYCB and then ABT. SScathing about Balanchine. He told her not to eat. She was introduced to cocaine and retired in 1983. She eventually came back to teach in NYC and opened a ballet school in NYC in 2010 with her husband. Her students are the skinniest people. It seems so hypocritical after how she exposed the ballet world eating disorders and people like Balanchine, her "Misha" and decried the unhealthy aesthetic that was becoming the norm. Gelsey was way to thin. She looked like a child. She really did surgery, the whole bit when it was not even the norm in Hollywood.

    Ballet, FS and gymnastics have many victims.

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