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Thread: And what of Mirai Nagasu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I was reading an old book by Gelsey Kirland, tiny prima ballereina with NYCB and then ABT. SScathing about Balanchine. He told her not to eat. She was introduced to cocaine and retired in 1983. She eventually came back to teach in NYC and opened a ballet school in NYC in 2010 with her husband. Her students are the skinniest people. It seems so hypocritical after how she exposed the ballet world eating disorders and people like Balanchine, her "Misha" and decried the unhealthy aesthetic that was becoming the norm. Gelsey was way to thin. She looked like a child. She really did surgery, the whole bit when it was not even the norm in Hollywood.

    Ballet, FS and gymnastics have many victims.
    That's true, but I also think that being thin (for females) is important in ballet because of the male dancers who need to be able to lift dancers multiple times. They don't have the kind of leverage that male skaters get w/ speed, etc. on the ice.

    For ladies single, it's something else because certain body types tend to do BETTER - rotate faster specifically. Then there's the height -- shorter = lower center of gravity & more stability. Mirai's latter body is not ideal in that she's thicker than she used to be and carries more weight in her bust/shoulders. This can be said for a lot of skaters who were basically destroyed by puberty. (BTW - I'm also of the opinion that skaters who actually learned proper technique tend to survive puberty much better than those who relied on their super skinny short body to land jumps.)

    I'm convinced that if Tara Lipinski's hips were half an inch thicker, Michelle would've won the gold in Nagano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia01 View Post
    That's true, but I also think that being thin (for females) is important in ballet because of the male dancers who need to be able to lift dancers multiple times. They don't have the kind of leverage that male skaters get w/ speed, etc. on the ice.
    Sort of but (as someone who did a LOT of ballet growing up) just like in figure skating it is no good to be a super thin sack of potatoes. It is easier for a man in ballet to lift a 110 pound woman with sufficient muscle to help him than a 80 pound girl who basically just leaps into the jump and does nothing else. There also is momentum (mostly on the part of the woman) going into ballet lifts which does help the man. In a truly well executed lift in ballet (IMO which may be slightly biased) the woman is doing at least 60% of the work.

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    What happens to Mirai Nagasu ?

    Mirai seems to have lost the passion in her skating after 2011. What happens to her ? She was a joy to watch before with her sparkling and dynamic personnality

    I don't care about her «ur» jumps from now, but I wish to see this type of Mirai this year, she was so entertaining to watch in 2010 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2R_HqZnz4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igZAmv_kF0w

    I miss this beautiful smile that she have before

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    I feel like this thread could've been made every year after the her 2008 Nationals win (with the exception of the 2010 Olympics)

    sigh

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    I just started a 3 page thread where shes thoroughly discussed. why duplicate? mod, please merge totally similar threads, either you did not see it coolboogie or u r being a bit obtuse.

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    She is boring to watch. The funniest part is she has everything to win, I.e. skating skills, spins....but she looks uninterested while skating:(

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    I don't see a future for Mirai in figure skating. She cannot rotate her jumps. She skated as well as she could in both programs in Finlandia over the weekend, but her total score was very mediocre, because of 5 URs and 2 downgrades. I don't think she's had a free skate with less than 3 UR calls in a very long time. I don't see the USFS putting her on the Sochi team. They cannot trust a skater that is so at the mercy of the technical panel as to whether her jumps get full credit or not.

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    Mirai will do her best to go to sochil and then work hard to get her education. It is simple as that life will go on Sochi or no Sochi but I htink many thought she was the next US Kwan or even a Cohen. Still one great skate and she is on the podium at olympics.

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    Very unlikely that what her fans would consider a great skate would end up on the podium for Mirai. She had talked and talked about having fixed her UR problem, but it's never happened except for a brief period under FrankC when she was training daily with Evan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Mirai will do her best to go to sochil and then work hard to get her education. It is simple as that life will go on Sochi or no Sochi but I htink many thought she was the next US Kwan or even a Cohen. Still one great skate and she is on the podium at olympics.
    I remember the year she and Caroline Zhang were presented to us on TV as the next big thing. They were tiny little girls, undersized thirteen-year-olds or so, and it looked pretty sure that they would be our champs after Kwan and Cohen left the scene. I still have a soft spot for them both, but I'm sorry that their weaker jump technique has been the one enduring trait from those early years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Mirai will do her best to go to sochil and then work hard to get her education. It is simple as that life will go on Sochi or no Sochi but I htink many thought she was the next US Cohen or even a Kwan. Still one great skate and she is on the podium at olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I don't see a future for Mirai in figure skating. She cannot rotate her jumps. She skated as well as she could in both programs in Finlandia over the weekend, but her total score was very mediocre, because of 5 URs and 2 downgrades. I don't think she's had a free skate with less than 3 UR calls in a very long time. I don't see the USFS putting her on the Sochi team. They cannot trust a skater that is so at the mercy of the technical panel as to whether her jumps get full credit or not.
    Early season senior B scores:
    Hicks 171
    Gold 164
    Nagasu 164
    Cain 162
    Cesario 157
    Lam 152
    Gao 152
    Zawadski 151

    Sure, Nagasu has flaws. Who on the above list doesn't have flaws? Mirai's program is coming together and is much better than it was at Glacier Falls. It is likely it will be better still at NHK. You say the US Fed can't trust Nagasu The current Fed pet is Zawadski, who in 3 years has never exceeded 166 in international competition, and who was beaten by Nagasu in last years GP series, even with Nagasu's UR problem. Should the US Fed trust someone who has never scored above 166 at Sochi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I don't see a future for Mirai in figure skating. She cannot rotate her jumps. She skated as well as she could in both programs in Finlandia over the weekend, but her total score was very mediocre, because of 5 URs and 2 downgrades. I don't think she's had a free skate with less than 3 UR calls in a very long time. I don't see the USFS putting her on the Sochi team. They cannot trust a skater that is so at the mercy of the technical panel as to whether her jumps get full credit or not.
    Mirai is vying for the third spot. I don't see why the USFSA would deliberately try to keep her off the team considering previous "third spot" holders--Meissner, Emily Hughes, Nicole Bobek past her prime, etc. None of those skaters was a medal-contender and only Kimmie was seen as someone who was a future contender. This is not 2002, when there were three American ladies who were legitimate contenders for the podium at least, if not the gold medal. Didn't Mirai medal at one or two Grand Prix events last year? Her big disaster was at Nationals in the long program. But she was second in the short program. Her skating in many respects is superior to both Wagner and Gold--her spins, spirals, use of arms and body line. She has Olympic experience and would, in my opinion, be a worthy addition to the US Olympic team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    Sure, Nagasu has flaws. Who on the above list doesn't have flaws? Mirai's program is coming together and is much better than it was at Glacier Falls. It is likely it will be better still at NHK. You say the US Fed can't trust Nagasu The current Fed pet is Zawadski, who in 3 years has never exceeded 166 in international competition, and who was beaten by Nagasu in last years GP series, even with Nagasu's UR problem. Should the US Fed trust someone who has never scored above 166 at Sochi?
    I don't think it's a "trust" issue as much as her failure to skate well at Nationals. The last few years she has had among the best results on the GP outside the very top US skaters but completely bombs at Nationals. Honestly, I don't think the USFSA is too concerned who gets the 3rd spot as that person has no shot at a medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't think it's a "trust" issue as much as her failure to skate well at Nationals. The last few years she has had among the best results on the GP outside the very top US skaters but completely bombs at Nationals. Honestly, I don't think the USFSA is too concerned who gets the 3rd spot as that person has no shot at a medal.
    That's true, but does Mirai deserve a 'lifetime achievement' third spot or would it be better served if the third spot goes to an up and comer? I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of thinking has run through some heads. I am a big fan of Mirai, but she will not get any marks internationally. Whether fair or not, her jumps are watched with an eagle's eye by the caller. I understand reputations are earned, but I can't understand why Mirai got this huge reputation of UR, even now when many of her UR's are so slight, especially when others with more egregious UR's are not getting called. I just want her to skate well at Nationals and be proud of herself, and NO TEARS.

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