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    Yes we don't know how her nerves are now since she doesn't get a lead after the SP. We would know if she went into the LP with a lead but it's been a long time since she had a lead after the SP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Mirai is afraid of success in some ways, it seems
    WTH? Let's not go Sigmund Freud on the girl. She was just inconsistent, and her technique was never good. That's all. No running away from success because her daddy told her she didn't deserve it.
    I'm not a fan of Mirai, but this kind of statement is just mind blowing.

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    Times when she's had leads (or a very good chance of making the World Team), she's gotten that deer in the headlights look and skated way below her abilities. This is why I said IT SEEMS as if she is afraid of success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Times when she's had leads (or a very good chance of making the World Team), she's gotten that deer in the headlights look and skated way below her abilities. This is why I said IT SEEMS as if she is afraid of success.
    I think she is just afraid to attack her programs when there's something important on the line. She skates relatively well in her GP events, but when she gets to Nationals she is too conservative and jumps intending not to fall, which means she comes out short on the rotation. I don't think it is a fear of success as much as a fear of making major mistakes.

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    You don't become a champion by skating not to lose. A champion skates to win.

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    It goes back to having solid technique. When you are in doubt about anything, your program, your costume, the only thing that will get you through it is your solid technique. It gives you the confidence you need to finish the program.

    Her technique is not good. And when the pressure is on, she can't land her jumps anymore. It's unfortunate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    It goes back to having solid technique. When you are in doubt about anything, your program, your costume, the only thing that will get you through it is your solid technique. It gives you the confidence you need to finish the program.

    Her technique is not good. And when the pressure is on, she can't land her jumps anymore. It's unfortunate.
    Even solid technique is not enough sometimes. Gracie has good jump technique yet struggles to land jumps at times because she lets her nerves take over.

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    This is one difficult sport folks. The new system makes it just as possible for underdogs to rise as it does for those with expectations to fall. It is a journey. Hers has been tough the past few years. Here's to hoping she has peace in her heart and a fighting spirit to get her through what will be a moment of a lifetime Nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    2. Her body has changed since 2010. At times it seemed (and I think) she wasn't in ideal shape. However, now (as someone else said) she is in shape. Despite this, she has a woman's body and there's no way she is going to get rid of it without starving herself. Those are the breaks.
    I agree with the rest of your post, but don't agree that Mirai hasn't been in shape. She had a relatively loose fitting skating dress in 2012-2013 seasons, which led people to believe she was overweight and out of shape. She has a tighter fitting dress this season, and people think she is suddenly in shape. I saw her in person the last 3 nationals, as well as a couple of GP's. She has been in shape every year. She has some of the other problems you mention, but being out of shape is not and has not been one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    You don't become a champion by skating not to lose. A champion skates to win.
    Ideally, that is how is should work. I think Czisny in 2011 Nationals skated cautiously, but it was still a beautiful performance. Wagner in the last half of her 2013 Nationals FS skated very cautiously, after her two falls she skated not to lose, and it didn't cost her anything. I agree with drivingmissdaisy, that Mirai skates too cautiously in her FS's, expecially at nationals.

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    I think Mirai's exhibition program is just beautiful. I'm impressed with Adam Rippon's choreography. It's a stunning piece of music anyway and she interpreted it quite well IMO. I've always loved Mirai. But she's another one who skates with her head instead of her feet. I always felt she just never landed with the right coach - that person that could help with her confidence and get her back to consistency. Nobody in skating has a prettier smile!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't think it is a fear of success as much as a fear of making major mistakes.
    Ah, but most sports psychologists will tell you that a fear of making a mistake is actually a fear of success. (And they write it in their various books as well). Competitive skating is 90% mental. Once you've done the training and you are taking the ice to compete, it's muscle memory and focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Ah, but most sports psychologists will tell you that a fear of making a mistake is actually a fear of success. (And they write it in their various books as well). Competitive skating is 90% mental. Once you've done the training and you are taking the ice to compete, it's muscle memory and focus.
    this could not be more true. i remember my coaches telling me this so many times. consistency is key, that's what consistency drills and double run throughs are for. competing is all about muscle memory. you HAVE to rely on your training because once you go out for competition, that's all you have.

    i do remember reading that mirai had problems with not being focused while training...this makes sense with not competing so well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Ah, but most sports psychologists will tell you that a fear of making a mistake is actually a fear of success. (And they write it in their various books as well).
    I'm not sure I under the concept of "fear of success," although I have heard of it. Is it a fear of doing well and achieving your goals, or a fear of the lifestyle change that results from success? Neither make sense to me. Nonetheless, we do agree that she skates fearfully and too cautiously.

    I agree with Macy that training may be the problem. I have seen her in practice videos and the rotation of her jumps looks shaky at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I'm not sure I under the concept of "fear of success," although I have heard of it. Is it a fear of doing well and achieving your goals, or a fear of the lifestyle change that results from success? Neither make sense to me. Nonetheless, we do agree that she skates fearfully and too cautiously.

    I agree with Macy that training may be the problem. I have seen her in practice videos and the rotation of her jumps looks shaky at times.
    i think it is more of the fear of mistakes. when you have a lead you don't want to make mistakes, and you have added pressure on you from the audience, judges, etc. more than the other competitors do, and i think it's a combination of all of that. you get scared. when you don't trust your training and you start thinking and come out of the moment, you start trying too hard and rushing things and start popping, falling, coming out of jumps sooner, etc. and it's so hard to come back from that. so many times you just fall apart.

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