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Thread: Will Ando make the Olympic Team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGoldberg View Post
    If I recall correctly, selection of the team involves quite a bit of politics and is a decision made by the federation. Thinking back to Miki's own experience back in 2006 when she finished like 5th or 6th at Japanese Nationals, but was still chosen for the team over medalist Yukari Nakano.
    Actually, the selection process in Japan involves establishing strict rules and then sticking to them, even if they are likely to backfire.

    Ando was sent to Olympics 2006 because back then in order to make the Olympic team the skaters had to collect the highest possible amount of points by winning medals in international cometitions and Nationals. Miki had very succesful seasons leading to the Olympics, and even if she came dead last in the Nationals, she still would make the team. In fact, Shizuka was in the greatest danger of being dropped from the team. Yukari, who started peaking at that time (and whom many fans would like to see skate at Torino) had less points than Yoshie Onda.

    After that JSF decided that their qualification process was faulty and subsequently changed it. Since then, the spots are distributed between:
    1. The skater who placed the highest at GPF. (Note: the skater has to compete at Japanese Nationals. Their placement is not important, but if they fail to attend Nats, they are dropped from the team).
    2. The winner of the Japanese Nationals.
    3. Whoever places the highest at Japanese Nationals (aside from the 2 already qualified) - but the international standing is taken into consideration.

    The JSF already stated that according to the rules the only way for Miki to make the Olympic team is to win Nationals (she doesn't have GP assignments and her international standing is low due to the missed seasons) and that they plan to stick to the rules: http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/n...9-1196855.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by inskate View Post
    The JSF already stated that according to the rules the only way for Miki to make the Olympic team is to win Nationals (she doesn't have GP assignments and her international standing is low due to the missed seasons) and that they plan to stick to the rules: http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/n...9-1196855.html
    I think your interpretation is too strict. The only way for Ando to make the Olympic team unconditionally is to win Nationals. In the cases of 2nd or 3rd, other considerations will be involved. Ando would be chosen if the nationals podium was consisted of the trio of Asada-Murakami-Ando. Basically, the 3rd spot should go with the highest TES. In order to make the podium, Ando must beat Suzuki and Miyahara by technical merits.

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    seems Miyahara's UR' ome have magically disappear
    let the promotion begin, but let's wait and see how the international judges will score her this season

    I still say Miki has a higher chance than Suzuki

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    The JSF is not accountable for someone like you (foreign skating fan/maniac/otaku). They just need to be seen by ordinary Japanese people that the better skater was chosen for the Olympics. It's almost certain that Miyahara skates better with more difficult contents and less errors than a veteran 13 years older.
    What I was referring to is that most of the skating community certainly does NOT view Miyahara as a better skater than Suzuki. Unless you got your skaters switched around. I'm not even going to compare the PCS scores of Miyahara and Suzuki as an example, as it would just be way too unfair, and people shouldn't expect a junior skater like Miyahara to be a better skater than a veteran like Suzuki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    seems Miyahara's UR' ome have magically disappear
    Miyahara has not received many UR calls except in Milan, Italy. In most cases, 2 or 3, regardless of domestic or international competitions. Don't expect too much in favor of Suzuki. Looking at the protocols of Kinki regionals, national judges seem to be very eager to prop up her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    What I was referring to is that most of the skating community certainly does NOT view Miyahara as a better skater than Suzuki. Unless you got your skaters switched around. I'm not even going to compare the PCS scores of Miyahara and Suzuki as an example, as it would just be way too unfair, and people shouldn't expect a junior skater like Miyahara to be a better skater than a veteran like Suzuki.
    Suzuki's PCS by average has always been low except for those rare competitions where she skates lights out

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Suzuki's PCS by average has always been low except for those rare competitions where she skates lights out
    Are your referring to her low PCS in the two Grand Prix events where she won silver and the Grand Prix final where she came 3rd? Or are you referring to the season before when she got GP gold and silver, 2nd at the GPF and World bronze?

    She certainly is one of those skaters that if she does poorly she actually gets poor PCS and if she does well she gets good PCS (I kind of wish the judges treated all skaters as they do Suzuki). But compared to Miyahara, it's painfully obvious Suzuki is the better skater, in almost every way.

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    Satoko Miahara's FS at 2013 JW: 3ze+3t<, 3f<, 3lo<, 2a, 2a+3t<, 3ze<, 3s<+2t+2t
    She rotated exactly one triple jump, and that was a flutz.

    Japanese judges and techs at Nationals can pretend the jumps are rotated, but that won't help Satoko at international events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Japanese judges and techs at Nationals can pretend the jumps are rotated, but that won't help Satoko at international events.
    Actually the caller at JW was a Japanese. I believe he was given an indication from the JSF to hold Miyahara down in order to relieve pressure from Murakami at worlds. That competition could be considered an aberration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Actually the caller at JW was a Japanese. I believe he was given an indication from the JSF to hold Miyahara down in order to relieve pressure from Murakami at worlds. That competition could be considered an aberration.
    But she clearly under-rotated the jumps. And even if you're crying foul on the caller, you would think at least a few out of 6 UR'ed jumps were actually under-rotated. And I doubt Miyahara purposely under-rotated jumps to relieve pressure from Murakami (although I can't see this rationale either, how Miyahara's JW affected Murakami's SWorlds). Exactly how would calling out a skater on the UR jumps HELP a skater like Murakami who herself is prone to URs?

    At Nationals, the tech callers cut the skaters slack, which is harmful because it makes them think they're actually executing jumps successfully. If there's any skater that first comes to mind when it comes to URs, it's Miyahara.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    Actually the caller at JW was a Japanese. I believe he was given an indication from the JSF to hold Miyahara down in order to relieve pressure from Murakami at worlds. That competition could be considered an aberration.
    Don't think that was very successful, as Murakami URd both loops at Worlds anyway.

    And since when does the JSF dictate what a Technical Specialist in the employ of the ISU does on the job?
    If that is true, it is an extreme conflict of interest.
    Makoto Okazaki should be banned for life from working as a technical specialist for the ISU, and the JSF should be fined for interference.

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    As far as Murakami is concerned, London worlds was a huge success. She has established her #2 position and became a virtual lock for Sochi Olympics. Murakami was not chosen for WTT because they didn't want to risk her status in a tough field (she skated very poorly at last year's WTT).

    In short, Murakami is always the JSF's pet. She will never miss the Olympics. And Asada is the only realistic medal hope. It's not a game that 5 skaters vying for 3 spots, but 3 skaters vying for one spot.

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    In fact, Miki performed better than I expected, considering the fact she just had a baby, plus she stayed out of the competition for so long. Her techniques are still there, but she lacks stamina, which can be recovered given more time (similar to Yuna's first competition last year). Even you may think Miyahara is the future, but I just don't like her uber knee bend, and overall tiny figure (4 ft 8 1⁄2 in). I prefer to see Miki than Miyahara. But between Miki and Akiku, I think it depends on who is in a better condition. Miki is still younger than Akiku, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMURA View Post
    As far as Murakami is concerned, London worlds was a huge success. She has established her #2 position and became a virtual lock for Sochi Olympics. Murakami was not chosen for WTT because they didn't want to risk her status in a tough field (she skated very poorly at last year's WTT).

    In short, Murakami is always the JSF's pet. She will never miss the Olympics. And Asada is the only realistic medal hope. It's not a game that 5 skaters vying for 3 spots, but 3 skaters vying for one spot.
    She's established her #2 position on the Japanese team as much as Denis Ten established himself as the undisputed #2 man in the world. It's one competition, and if you took the whole season, Suzuki had much better results. And you just admitted that WTT was a tough field, and Suzuki won that competition, while Murakami wasn't sent for risk of a bad result... doesn't that mean Suzuki should be regarded higher than Murakami? At this point, Murakami and Suzuki are rather neck-in-neck for me. Yes, federations always love their younger pets, but never underestimate favouritism of veterans or those who produce World medals (hell, it got Leonova on the Russian world team).

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    Murakami's record for 2012-2013:

    Skate Canada bronze
    4th SP 2a, 3t+3t<, 3f<<-df
    4th FS 3ze, 3lo, 3f, 3lo<+2lo, 3f^1a, 3s<+2t+2lo, 3t<
    Cup of Russia 4th
    6th SP 2a, 3t+3t<, 3f<↓
    3rd FS 3ze, 3lo, 3f, 3lo<+2lo, 3f, 3s+2lo+2lo, 3t*
    DID NOT MAKE GPF
    4CC
    3rd SP 2a, 3t+3t, 3f
    3rd FS 3ze, 3lo+2t, 3f<, 3lo<, 3f^1a, 3s+2lo+2lo<, 3t
    Worlds 4th
    3rd SP 2a, 3t+3t, 3f
    7th FS 3ze, 3lo<+2t, 3f, 3lo<, 3f^1a, 3s+2lo+2lo, 3t
    Did not skate at WTT


    Suzuki record for 2012-2013
    Skate Canada silver
    5th SP 5th 3t+3t<<, 3ze, 2a
    1st SP 3ze+2t+2lo, 2a+3t, 3f+1lo, 3f, 3lo, 3s, 2a
    NHK silver
    5th SP 3t+3t, 1z, 2a
    1st FS 3ze+2t+2lo, 2a+3t, 3f, 3ze, 3lo+2t, 3s, 3lo<
    GPF bronze
    3rd SP 3t+3t, 3f, 2a
    3rd FS 3f+2t+2lo, 2а+3t, 1ze, 3f↓, 3lo+2t, 3s, 3lo<<↓
    4CC silver
    2nd SP 3t+3t, 3f, 2a
    2nd FS 3f+2t+2lo, 1a-df, 3ze, 3f, 3lo+2t, 3s, 3lo
    Worlds 12th
    7th SP 3t+3t<-fo, 3f, 2a
    13th FS 3f<<-hd, 2a↓, 3ze-df, 3f, 3lo<+2t<, 3s, 2lo
    WTT 1st
    2nd SP 3t+2t, 3f, 2a
    1st FS 3f+2t+2Lo, 2a+3t, 3ze-fwd, 3f, 3lo, 3s, 3s+2t

    Clearly, Murakami had the better showing at Worlds, but Suzuki had a far better season, with a better GP, making the GPF and medaling in the GPF, beating Murakami head to heat at 4CC, and winning the WTT.

    Murakami's results are marred by her continuing habit of underrotating jumps.

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