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    News Olympic judges draw held in Oberstdorf

    "In Oberstdorf, after the last Olympic spot had been decided at the Nebelhorn Trophy, another selection took place: the judges' draw for the 2014 Olympic Winter Games in Sochi, Russia.

    Countries that qualified entrants to the four events, based on finishes at the 2013 World Figure Skating Championships and Nebelhorn, were entered into the draw. Thirteen countries were drawn for each of the four individual figure skating events. Nine of those judges will be seated on the short program panel, which is drawn 45 minutes before the start of the event. The remaining four judges are swapped onto the panel after another draw 45 minutes before the free skates and free dance..."

    Article Written by Klaus-Reinhold Kany and Lynn Rutherford for Ice Network
    Published September 30, 2013

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    So I would assume insiders know WHO the Olympic judges are from each country. So then, now that the countries have been chosen, the wheeling and dealing, and wining and dining and whatever el$$s usually goes on ... does. Let the Games ... BEGIN!

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    Hmm, no Canadian judge for the Men's event. I wonder how that affects Patrick Chan's chances...

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    Quote Originally Posted by prettykeys View Post
    Hmm, no Canadian judge for the Men's event. I wonder how that affects Patrick Chan's chances...
    Well, hopefully haters will shut up at least should he win and all non-Canadian judges are responsible for that.

    It shouldn't affect his chances if the judges score fairly. One judge isn't going to make a huge difference, and it'll be really obvious if they try to skew his marks. One would hope that the crackdown on sketchy judging is more enforced at the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Well, hopefully haters will shut up at least should he win and all non-Canadian judges are responsible for that.

    It shouldn't affect his chances if the judges score fairly. One judge isn't going to make a huge difference, and it'll be really obvious if they try to skew his marks. One would hope that the crackdown on sketchy judging is more enforced at the Olympics.
    Chanflation is an inherent feature of CoP, not an external influence by the Canadian federation. They even named the marks after him: PCS = "Patrick Chan Scores."

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    It's nice to have a judge on the panel, but where the rubber meets the road is the tech panel. Those positions have not yet been announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    It's nice to have a judge on the panel, but where the rubber meets the road is the tech panel. Those positions have not yet been announced.
    Totally agree. Levels in the footwork sequences in dance for instance will define relative placements amongst the top 10

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    The biggest question for me is who is going to be on the technical panel- especially in dance- those levels are going to be vital. There either has to be both an American and a Canadian on that panel or neither of them if this event is going to be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Chanflation is an inherent feature of CoP, not an external influence by the Canadian federation. They even named the marks after him: PCS = "Patrick Chan Scores."
    This is true. CoP gives higher marks for better quality skating (I know, outrageous! ), and Chan has one of the highest if not the highest levels of quality skating, so it's only expected that his marks will be higher than others under this system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    This is true. CoP gives higher marks for better quality skating (I know, outrageous! ), and Chan has one of the highest if not the highest levels of quality skating, so it's only expected that his marks will be higher than others under this system.
    Yes. Oddly, though, it doesn't compensate for when the "skating" is done on one's butt and not on one's blade. Guess they're equivalent!

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    [QUOTE=Krislite;768942]Yes. Oddly, though, it doesn't compensate for when the "skating" is done on one's butt and not on one's blade. Guess they're equivalent! [/QUOTe

    This is probably useless wtih this gang of people but remember if you fall you lose points and it will cut int the flow or performance marks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Yes. Oddly, though, it doesn't compensate for when the "skating" is done on one's butt and not on one's blade. Guess they're equivalent!
    Yes, those deductions are taken elsewhere. Judges don't take away GOE on jump for a poorly interpreted program, so why would they deduct from PCS for a technical error?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Yes, those deductions are taken elsewhere. Judges don't take away GOE on jump for a poorly interpreted program, so why would they deduct from PCS for a technical error?
    Technical errors like falls do considerably affect interpretation, especially when the jump is timed and positioned well with the music. I supposed falling and butt-gliding on the ice can "go" along with certain musical phrases, but that's not typically how musical interpretation is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Technical errors like falls do considerably affect interpretation, especially when the jump is timed and positioned well with the music. I supposed falling and butt-gliding on the ice can "go" along with certain musical phrases, but that's not typically how musical interpretation is done.
    Which totally explains why Kostner got 9.04 for interpretation in her Bolero in spite of a fall at the very end, and V/T got 9.43 for interpretation when he fell in their Worlds freeskate. Plushenko had the 3rd highest PCS at Euros 2013 SP with a fall and the technical content of a mid-tier junior skater (he got 40.36 PCS, just 2 points less than his personal best of 42.50... he scored 8.75/9.00's for interpretation). Takahashi and Chan both fell at last year's GPF and scored 9.11 and 9.18, respectively, for interpretation.

    Point being, when the favourites fall, they still manage to get high scores because the rest of their program is good, because of reputation, or some combination of the two. It seems people only tend to go after Chan for benefiting from it. It's not right when he gets overscored, but the reality is it happens to everyone else, too.

    But haters are just itching for Chan to make mistakes so that they can go after him exclusively. The Chanbashers would still complain even if he did a clean SP/FS, and whine that he's a terrible skater with soulless artistry and is overscored, blah blah blah. Look at the rest of the field -- everyone is making errors (hello, it's ice) and not half of them attempt the same difficulty of Chan in terms of program composition and jump layout, and several still get high PCS scores in spite of errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Technical errors like falls do considerably affect interpretation, especially when the jump is timed and positioned well with the music. I supposed falling and butt-gliding on the ice can "go" along with certain musical phrases, but that's not typically how musical interpretation is done.
    Timing jumps exactly with the music is actually pretty rare. A fall mars maybe 2 seconds of a 4:30 minute program, so if 268 of 270 seconds of a program are skated beautifully why would you mark that below 270 seconds of mediocre skating?

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