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    Quote Originally Posted by burntBREAD View Post
    Here's the livescores: http://www.isuresults.com/results/jgpcze2013/SEG003.HTM
    And ISU has a JGP YouTube channel that they update VERY quickly: http://www.youtube.com/user/ISUJGP2011/videos

    Angela Wang with 61+! Wow!
    Thank you! Did not see it in first post

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    What a nice spin from Minami Hanashiro! Never heard of her, though I am from Germany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...nsh3DVlc#t=154

    Was that variation after sidways, Zhangs perl?
    Liked that variation after Bielmann as well!

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    One of the best SPs this year by Angela. Her PCS is messed up. If Elena is getting 27 or 28 for PCS, this should beat it by a wide margin.

    Love her footwork into the 3loop.

    Go Angela.

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    Proklova with a very different program than Wang but excellent as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9brNF0bQM

    I think Wang should have a slight edge in PCS (although Proklova doesn't seem too slow either and performs very well) but Proklova has better spins (and two jumps in bonus) and should edge on technical.

    Note: One judge gave Wang all 5s in PCS. That's wrong.

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    I agree, Angela was wonderful!! I'm also very pleased for Jenni Saarinen!! I've followed her skating for several years already and am so happy for how much she has improved during the past few years! And may I correct you IleK, she CAN skate clean LP, I've seen that many times. Even in Junior Worlds this year she did very well! I don't know what happened to her in the previous JGP, she didn't skate a good LP there. Jenni is much more talented than Juulia Turkkila, it is a pity that she couldn't skate in Nebelhorn (Jenni is only 14 years). We might have got the Olympic spot with her skating.

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    Although not necessarily a fan of her skating, Ukolova has very good posture throughout her program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    I agree, Angela was wonderful!! I'm also very pleased for Jenni Saarinen!! I've followed her skating for several years already and am so happy for how much she has improved during the past few years! And may I correct you IleK, she CAN skate clean LP, I've seen that many times. Even in Junior Worlds this year she did very well! I don't know what happened to her in the previous JGP, she didn't skate a good LP there. Jenni is much more talented than Juulia Turkkila, it is a pity that she couldn't skate in Nebelhorn (Jenni is only 14 years). We might have got the Olympic spot with her skating.
    You may correct me, please. I checked on her after I first saw her this year at JGP and there were some competitions where she had some bad FS results and I also saw her in her first JGP not doing very well. But I believe you and I agree she is very talented and I thought the same, why couldn't she go to Nebelhorn, even with mistakes she would have scored better than Juulia. It makes me said that I am already looking at Kiira as being the past of finnish skating and trying to find between these young girls someone worthy to take her place. Not in my heart, but at least on the screen. I can't deal with the fact there will be no finnish lady in the GP and Olympics. Juulia will go to Euros, but can she go to Worlds also?

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    a bit shaky 3-3 for Sotskova now if she can skate a clean FS
    she was underscored in PCS, really 25 just a point above Kato ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burntBREAD View Post
    Proklova with a very different program than Wang but excellent as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9brNF0bQM

    I think Wang should have a slight edge in PCS (although Proklova doesn't seem too slow either and performs very well) but Proklova has better spins (and two jumps in bonus) and should edge on technical.

    Note: One judge gave Wang all 5s in PCS. That's wrong.
    I don't know. I think it's a tough call. Angela, I think, had the best use of the blade, power and ice coverage of the top girls. But it's not like Proklova is a slouch either - and it's expected that Angela will be better at this given the age difference. Both present well, but I think Proklova is more expressive, while Angela is a bit more subdued. Proklova's definitely wins out in the carriage, extension and line department; but again, Angela is not bad at this, either. Both had good programs with decent transitions and used the music very well. I think depending on what judges prefer, it could go either way.

    All in all, it was a fantastic competition. I do think Russia should have send Sotskova to Belarus - she could have been top two easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IleK View Post
    You may correct me, please. I checked on her after I first saw her this year at JGP and there were some competitions where she had some bad FS results and I also saw her in her first JGP not doing very well. But I believe you and I agree she is very talented and I thought the same, why couldn't she go to Nebelhorn, even with mistakes she would have scored better than Juulia. It makes me said that I am already looking at Kiira as being the past of finnish skating and trying to find between these young girls someone worthy to take her place. Not in my heart, but at least on the screen. I can't deal with the fact there will be no finnish lady in the GP and Olympics. Juulia will go to Euros, but can she go to Worlds also?
    Yes she can go if she reaches the minimum score to qualify. But it is clear that if Kiira is fit and able to skate, it will be her taking the worlds spot. A couple of days ago there was a media event held in Helsinki by Kiira, her manager and doctor. It was pretty detailed and the media were provided with lots of info on Kiira's situation and her decision to change her coach. She anticipates to be able to return to skating in late November or early December. She said she is now learning to walk (she got rid of the orthopaedic cast earlier this week) and doing lots of rehab exercises. It was also revealed that the tear she had in the achilles tendon was partly in a muscle (to me it sounds more serious than if only the tendon was torn but I'm not an expert!). Finland has excellent doctors and several achilles specialists were contacted all over the country to have their opinion whether or not the leg should be operated. They all agreed that as Sochi is approaching very fast it is better to not to have a surgery (the results of Nebelhorn were not yet known at that time). They also estimated that the damage is not that serious and probably careful rehab would bring the same outcome as surgery would. If everything goes well, Kiira will return to LA to train with Arutyunyan in December. She praised her training mates Adam Rippon and Ashley Wagner and mentioned training with other top skaters was one reason why she chose to move out of Finland. She had also considered Toronto as an alternative training location due to the fact that she had trained there before too (I guess she was referring to her cooperation with David Wilson and Jeffrey Buttle). Kiira became familiar with Rafael last Spring when he visited the national team camp in Finland. Training in LA has been wonderful, according to Kiira. She admitted having been in tears after the results from Nebelhorn came. She thanked Juulia for trying her best in Oberstdorf.

    I really hope Kiira will recover from her injuries. I think she is such a great skater and a lovely person with a BIG heart! Her skating is always a joy to watch. I especially loved her short programme from last season and her Evita programme, it was gorgeous! Kiira's personality is incomparable what comes to her kindness and positive attitude (I'm not exaggerating She definitely has the famous Finnish "sisu", which can be translated into English as strength of will, determination and perseverance. In the interview Kiira told that after moving to LA she found a new kind of energy and passion for figure skating and said she hopes to continue her career even after this season.

    Oops, I was supposed to write about the junior skaters... I don't know how you define "bad FS results". The Finnish junior skaters to whom I've referred here in the forum are not yet able to skate FS with 100 or higher score. I hope we'll soon witness that day though.

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    Wow, Angela Wang delivered a beautiful performance. I think her SP is my favorite of the season. She's so elegant and, at the same time, strong technically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sara View Post
    Yes she can go if she reaches the minimum score to qualify. But it is clear that if Kiira is fit and able to skate, it will be her taking the worlds spot. A couple of days ago there was a media event held in Helsinki by Kiira, her manager and doctor. It was pretty detailed and the media were provided with lots of info on Kiira's situation and her decision to change her coach. She anticipates to be able to return to skating in late November or early December. She said she is now learning to walk (she got rid of the orthopaedic cast earlier this week) and doing lots of rehab exercises. It was also revealed that the tear she had in the achilles tendon was partly in a muscle (to me it sounds more serious than if only the tendon was torn but I'm not an expert!). Finland has excellent doctors and several achilles specialists were contacted all over the country to have their opinion whether or not the leg should be operated. They all agreed that as Sochi is approaching very fast it is better to not to have a surgery (the results of Nebelhorn were not yet known at that time). They also estimated that the damage is not that serious and probably careful rehab would bring the same outcome as surgery would. If everything goes well, Kiira will return to LA to train with Arutyunyan in December. She praised her training mates Adam Rippon and Ashley Wagner and mentioned training with other top skaters was one reason why she chose to move out of Finland. She had also considered Toronto as an alternative training location due to the fact that she had trained there before too (I guess she was referring to her cooperation with David Wilson and Jeffrey Buttle). Kiira became familiar with Rafael last Spring when he visited the national team camp in Finland. Training in LA has been wonderful, according to Kiira. She admitted having been in tears after the results from Nebelhorn came. She thanked Juulia for trying her best in Oberstdorf.

    I really hope Kiira will recover from her injuries. I think she is such a great skater and a lovely person with a BIG heart! Her skating is always a joy to watch. I especially loved her short programme from last season and her Evita programme, it was gorgeous! Kiira's personality is incomparable what comes to her kindness and positive attitude (I'm not exaggerating She definitely has the famous Finnish "sisu", which can be translated into English as strength of will, determination and perseverance. In the interview Kiira told that after moving to LA she found a new kind of energy and passion for figure skating and said she hopes to continue her career even after this season.

    Oops, I was supposed to write about the junior skaters... I don't know how you define "bad FS results". The Finnish junior skaters to whom I've referred here in the forum are not yet able to skate FS with 100 or higher score. I hope we'll soon witness that day though.
    Thank you so much for all the information and please forgive us for being offtopic. Kiira is my favourite skater for all the reasons you mentioned before. She is beautiful inside out and I sometimes wonder if she has any sins like all of us, because she looks so innocent and forever happy. It is very hard to find out something about her and her real situation and I really appreciate your post. you gave me hope, but I don't know if i want that hope. I am not as strong as Kiira and I can't deal with another disappointement.

    And on - topic, I am totally pro Angela. Alexandra reminds me of Juulia. There are so much look-a-like. Her face, body and style. Alexandra is good at presentation, knows how to take advantage of a choreography but her face is empty as Juulia's. She doesn't move me at all. She is and looks very young. Anglea reminds me of Samantha at Junior Worlds last year. She is very a much a lady among little girls.

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    Alexandra reminds me of Julia also, but with better musicality and she can smile Plus, I think her SS are better than Julia (at the same age). She is cute as a button in her tutu, I'll give her that, and her choreography is good, but PCS should be more than being cute. How could Angela not win the PCS it's beyond my understanding. 26+ for Alexandra is absurd. Maybe I am missing something about her: even in her first JGP I couldn't believe my eyes when she beat both Karen Chen and Serafima in PCS (and her LP is not half as good as her SP is). What is it about her that I am missing?

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    Angela was gorgeous. This SP will definitely make my favorites list this year.

    Not to sound like Scott Hamilton, but Angela has everything: great basics, good speed, difficult jumps, level 4 spins, gorgeous and smooth flow across the ice...I just love her style. She reminds me of vintage Michelle Kwan circa 1996-1998...and that is not a compliment I give lightly. There's something about her that is very special. When she skates like this, her brilliance is undeniable. I do think many of the judges lowballed her with 5s (are you kidding me?). In this field she's a mid 6s to low 7s skater. Alexandra was lovely too and deserved her scores; however, I'd have had Angela slightly better than or at least equal to Alexandra in PCS.

    FS should be interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuan View Post
    What a nice spin from Minami Hanashiro! Never heard of her, though I am from Germany
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...nsh3DVlc#t=154

    Was that variation after sidways, Zhangs perl?
    Liked that variation after Bielmann as well!
    Very nice! A lot of girls do a Pearl but never extend the free leg enough while laying back; that's what made Caroline's spin so amazing. Well that and the lean in her back was so extreme. Hanashiro extends the leg and has a great lean in her back. The positions were excellent but I'd imagine she lost some GOE b/c it traveled the entire time.

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