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    I'm not fond of the cuts of music that she uses. The one really lyrical section is completely lost in the middle of the program, with nothing leading to it or from it, and her movements in that section don't take advantage of it. The rest of the cuts that she uses are so chaotic that I can't get my bearings in the program. Her skating stays in the same hectic coloration almost all the way through and doesn't seem to lead anywhere.

    I like her dress, and her jumps are good.

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    I like the program. It is a nice program for the Olympic season. I agree that the middle could use a little more choreography. The beginning and ending are really nice. I do love the spread eagle into the loop jump.

    Perhaps some don't like it because it's not the traditional R& J. But that's not Ashley. She tries to be different. I was very happy to see her trying her 3/3. Maybe she can land it cleanly by Skate America. She is the only America senior lady I've seen who is not scared to compete. That takes a lot of nerve.

    She has her work cut out for her to try to get on that Olympic podium. The competition will be fearce for those medals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Exactly what me and LeCygne are saying: she needs Dance of the Knights, if she wants to use Prokofiev R&J!!
    It is certainly what is expected but upon 2nd thought I really like the fact they chose not to follow the convention and therefore able to flesh out Juliet's story/emotion a bit more and give it context.

    Dance of the knights is certainly the most powerful and well known piece from Prokofiev's R&J, but perhaps more suited to the role of Romeo, or Pair/Dance. By making the familiar appear new is always a welcoming approach in my opinion. In its challenge and ambition (without familiar references, you are suppose to focus more on the performance and the skater which is surely the intention.) In any case, I like this program (or the potential of it) more than I thought, maybe I was expecting so little to start with. With more refinement, polish and more distinguishable directions in interpretation, this program has US Championship written all over it and maybe a bit more? The music cut is interesting with its tonal, shades of emotions and lush quality in segmentation that has unhurried emotional build ups that can work great for a ladies program. In someone like Yuna Kim's hands, this would be absolutely amazing. All things considered this vehicle can work very well for Ashley. I'd say she is about 58% ready in interpretation, which gives her great scope to work towards to build up to something amazing in her Olympic year.

    This is Wilson's first R&J this year, the other for Hanyu... which I surprised myself again! I really like!!! What is going on? What happened with the string of disappointment usually comes at the beginning of a season Then again...i just saw Lori Nichol's work for the great Daisuke Takahashi (weird music cut of great Beatles tracks), then the equilibrium is in balance again!

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    Well, I had no idea she was skating Juliet. The program seemed bare boned and there were sections that were too long with nothing of interest happening. I am really disappointed and quickly lost interest. Please, Ashley, back to the drawing board.

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    IMHO all Ashley needs to do is drop the stabbing at the end. There is no reason for her to play at being a love-sick 14-year-old girl or to pantomime a little story. Just skate, land the jumps, and follow the structure of the music as much as possible.

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    This is supposed to be Romeo and Juliet but where is the passion? Her program reminds me of a film that tries to take on an unique, modern interpretation of a classic work, but deviates too far from the original to be even recognizable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    This is supposed to be Romeo and Juliet but where is the passion? Her program reminds me of a film that tries to take on an unique, modern interpretation of a classic work, but deviates too far from the original to be even recognizable.
    I have always figured Carmen as the more outward passionate and lustful classic archetype character, but Juliet is more about the evolving emotion, the romance, where sweet innocence meet inner turmoil to have spiraled wildly out of control; the challenge of devastating impulses despite upper class confinement, refinement one come to expect from a First daughter type of upbringing. Typical struggles with the social restrictions, etiquette, one would expect from the repressive character that is about to risk everything seeking the ultimate liberation with inevitable tragic consequences. Doomed love. (I can see Mathman smirking again.... but i just don't care!! )

    This certainly pose an interesting challenge in a skating performance. You can do the puppy love romance thing and make make everyone smile with the pleasantries and the superficial, or doing something deeper, challenging and different, that Juliet can exist as a character without Romeo. The music edits seem to support this dichotomy, it would be up to the performer to delve into the character more to deliver the emotions and in particular the key character growth through out the program. It may not be as black and white as Swan lake, but can be just as memorable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    I have always figured Carmen as the more outward passionate and lustful classic archetype character, but Juliet is more about the evolving emotion, the romance, where sweet innocence meet inner turmoil to have spiraled wildly out of control; the challenge of devastating impulses despite upper class confinement, refinement one come to expect from a First daughter type of upbringing. Typical struggles with the social restrictions, etiquette, one would expect from the repressive character that is about to risk everything seeking the ultimate liberation with inevitable tragic consequences. Doomed love. (I can see Mathman smirking again.... but i just don't care!! )

    This certainly pose an interesting challenge in a skating performance. You can do the puppy love romance thing and make make everyone smile with the pleasantries and the superficial, or doing something deeper, challenging and different, that Juliet can exist as a character without Romeo. The music edits seem to support this dichotomy, it would be up to the performer to delve into the character more to deliver the emotions and in particular the key character growth through out the program. It may not be as black and white as Swan lake, but can be just as memorable.
    Hmm then I suggest Ashley watch this performance of another Shakespearean classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtveDWakMFQ
    Now that's how you express inner turmoil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miki88 View Post
    Hmm then I suggest Ashley watch this performance of another Shakespearean classic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtveDWakMFQ
    Now that's how you express inner turmoil.
    Yes!

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    Hmm--the judges should like it. It's dark and serious music, which seems to be standard for all female skaters these days. However, she skated it well, unlike someone like Mirai or Rachael who seemed to be weighed down by the mandatory darkness/seriousness.

    I like that it sped up and slowed down a lot, giving her something to work with. I think her dress did not match the music, she needs something darker and more dramatic. It's a pretty dress, maybe she could use it for the short program.

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    I like the program. She has a lot to improve, but it's normal. I love the final part and the end position.

    Sasha's program was probably the best, but this music is very different. Nice choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Dance of the knights is certainly the most powerful and well known piece from Prokofiev's R&J, but perhaps more suited to the role of Romeo, or Pair/Dance.
    I don't know... I think even the more powerful sections of "Dance of the Knights" could fit with Juliet's character and the theme of her inner conflict and development. The heavy Capulets' theme returns at the end of the piece as Juliet sees Romeo for the first time and is obviously into him (to use modern parlance . Even without her knowing him to be Montague yet, I think being immediately drawn to someone else after having just danced with your intended husband would cause some pretty strong emotion. But YMMV

    Speaking of "Dance of the Knights" though, the lighter middle section is completely centered on Juliet... but I suppose it's not as attention-grabbing as the rest of the piece.

    Re: Ashley's costume, I thought it was pretty enough. I especially appreciated the beadwork in the close-ups. I do agree that a richer color might be better but I also tend to prefer darker colors in general. It's interesting though because Ashley herself had initially wanted a darker color: http://ashwagner2010.tumblr.com/post...-make-or-break

    It seems she was (naturally) inspired by Olivia Hussey's Juliet costume which I think can be seen even in the beaded bodice and in the high waist (which I personally think looks quite flattering on Ashley) of her current costume.

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    The costume cut is flattering yes, but she needs a period look to be Juliet. This is a modern looking dress. Something like YuNa wore for les miz but in a teal green light velvet velour, or deep burgundy. This looks like a slip dress she could wear to a club. She needs to evoke the 14th century, and she should do her hair in a new and different style. She can have it out of her way-she should consult a really good stylist to get the right look. I'd rather see her return to black swan. Gee, I am surprised this is David Wilson...seems YuNa gets his best effort. I love Philip Mills-this is too bad they split. I'd rather see Camerlengo or Nichols do her LP.

    This is very muddled-people will be confused, as I am. I much preferred Sasha, and I prefer the "warhorse" cuts, as people need to understand this is Juliet. Anyone have a link to her SP? Keep the dress for an exhibition. I hope she didn't spend a fortune on it. I know she likes to show off her arms and likes to copy MK a bit, but I really want everyone to know the music and the character from the beginning. This is her Olympic hopeful program and dress. I am underwhelmed in a huge way. She deserves better and has had much better in past. Wow, you can see she is not with Nicks/Mills anymore. Too bad.

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    Thanks for the link to her blog. Assuming no one is helping her she's actually quite a decent writer. I wonder what she wants to do once she is done with skating.

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    Juliet, Juliet, wherefore art thou? Is this really what Wilson choreographed?


    If I were costuming her, I would give her a skating version of the death scene dress here (last picture)

    http://www.hannahteare.com/fashion/romeo-and-juliet

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