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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I'm not a pitchforks kind of girl.
    I hear you prefer torches. Which is pretty smart, less cleanup that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    I did like your post right above mine. Very nice.
    And I am not personally attacking you, that's silly on an anon website, I am just venting about all the haterade that Dave and Jenny are getting. I actually like reading your posts. It's nothing personal. And I do enjoy your posts.
    Well, saying "your heart is dark" kinda seems personal. Just saying.

    It's great that TSL has its loyal fans, that does show that its podcast, even with its flaws, has resonated with the fans and the skating community. But it's clear from this thread and reading some of its posts, that they can be quite polarizing. That's something they'll have to work out moving forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    I hear you prefer torches. Which is pretty smart, less cleanup that way.
    I do like fire. However, my area is high-risk for forest fires, so I try to keep my torch use to a minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Well, saying "your heart is dark" kinda seems personal. Just saying.
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    No, I was not intending that comment to be directed to you personally. It is the general tone of many on this site, those that diminish J and D's hard work. I might be mistaken, but I think they both received their degrees in journalism. It is frustrating because it is clear that they have an interest in promoting this sport, a sport that has almost reached rigor mortis. I don't like the nasty comments about them. They are putting out a quality product, and if someone doesn't like it, then fine, move on. It really was nothing personal, but knowing Dave and hearing someone say he is cruel and mean-spirited, well, he's not. By far. But that's okay. (And NO I am not Dave under a pseud, before someone goes there) And I do enjoy your posts. I don't mind conflicting viewpoints, I just want people to be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I agree. I have a really hard time distinguishing their snark, which is probably part of my problem with them. Like when they would talk about Ashley earlier in the summer, it was hard for me to figure out if they were laughing with her or at her. And then Ashley came on and they played it out like it was all just good ol' fashioned teasing. Which it might have been. Or not.

    To be clear, I wasn't implying any criticism of your response, Mrs. P. I was suggesting that Dave and Jenny could do a better job of dishing the snark while holding off on the meanspirited or libellous stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    No, I was not intending that comment to be directed to you personally. It is the general tone of many on this site, those that diminish J and D's hard work. I might be mistaken, but I think they both received their degrees in journalism. It is frustrating because it is clear that they have an interest in promoting this sport, a sport that has almost reached rigor mortis. I don't like the nasty comments about them. They are putting out a quality product, and if someone doesn't like it, then fine, move on. It really was nothing personal, but knowing Dave and hearing someone say he is cruel and mean-spirited, well, he's not. By far. But that's okay. (And NO I am not Dave under a pseud, before someone goes there)
    If they didn't have a compelling product, we wouldn't say anything about it, good or bad. I think 99 percent of the comments here are from folks who do see some value in what they offer, but just are concerned about various aspects of the enterprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraV View Post
    To be clear, I wasn't implying any criticism of your response, Mrs. P. I was suggesting that Dave and Jenny could do a better job of dishing the snark while holding off on the meanspirited or libellous stuff.
    Oh, no didn't think you were critical at all. I agreed with your post! And I agree with this post also.

    I didn't have a problem, again, with the Miki post-pregnancy jokes. However, accusing someone of bribing their way to the world team? Not so funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    No, I was not intending that comment to be directed to you personally. It is the general tone of many on this site, those that diminish J and D's hard work. I might be mistaken, but I think they both received their degrees in journalism. It is frustrating because it is clear that they have an interest in promoting this sport, a sport that has almost reached rigor mortis. I don't like the nasty comments about them. They are putting out a quality product, and if someone doesn't like it, then fine, move on. It really was nothing personal, but knowing Dave and hearing someone say he is cruel and mean-spirited, well, he's not. By far. But that's okay. (And NO I am not Dave under a pseud, before someone goes there) And I do enjoy your posts. I don't mind conflicting viewpoints, I just want people to be nice.

    I'm not sure people are saying Dave is himself cruel and mean-spirited, it's his comments that have been occasionally cruel and mean-spirited. A distinction like the one Dave's defenders have been making re his comments about Meryl - he wasn't calling her an idiot, just saying that her comments were idiotic. If we are going to parse words carefully on one side, we have to do it on the other side of the question too, right? Fair is fair.

    Look, I am a fan of TSL - I watch it and enjoy it - with occasional reservations. I bet Dave is as nice a guy in person as you say he is, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is a good and loyal friend. A few posters here really dislike TSl, which is their prerogative, and if Dave and Jenny are going to dish in a free wheeling way, they are going to get some free wheeling, even harsh criticism in response. Most of the posters here are just trying to offer constructive criticism. I like TSL, I think it could be even better than it is and hope it will get there. I am really not seeing much that I would call "haterade" here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Oh, no didn't think you were critical at all. I agreed with your post! And I agree with this post also.

    I didn't have a problem, again, with the Miki post-pregnancy jokes. However, accusing someone of bribing their way to the world team? Not so funny.

    Absolutely agreed on that. The bribery allegation is just crazy talk.........

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    I take Dave tongue in cheek. It is hard not to like D and W or the Shibutanis. We all have different interests/perspectives though. What is fun about Dave and Jenny is they are not just your every day reporter. But I too like a lot of us can been a bit sarcastic or dramatic =it makes life itneresting I suppose politics and skating though is something I am not sure that should be done together kind of like drugs and alcohol maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    (snip) Truce?
    Truce. I bet we can find common ground.

    I've already said I enjoy, and I also learn from, their interviews. I hope to see more of these.

    I agree with you that their intent to make skating interesting and relevant is commendable.

    I hope to see them grow in professionalism in terms of their content and style... and that's not a slam. Who among us wouldn't want to become more professional at our jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    I don't think it's black and white. If I'm focusing on the criticism, it's because that's what we're talking about now. Just to clarify:

    1.) I don't think it's right to attack Jenny or Dave personally. I don't think they're bad or terrible people. My disagreement is with content not the people.
    2.) They do bring some good stuff to the table. The interviews are excellent and I think Jenny, in particular, is good at getting the discussion going and has a nice rapport. Dave tends to get a bit fan boy-ish, but I can see the amount of research he puts in.
    3.) When they are strictly analytical, they are fine there too. For me, their analysis of Worlds was quite good and I enjoyed it thoroughly.
    4.) Just because I criticize them doesn't mean I think they should go away. FWIW, they clearly have their fans and as I said, I think they do bring something to the table. And quite frankly I'm all for variety as far as coverage of anything be it figure skating, the Supreme Court or neighborhood news.

    What I don't like is:

    1.) Baseless and borderline libelous claims.
    2.) Comments that edge on being mean-spirited. As I've stated several times, I think they can be pointed in their criticism of skaters without resorting to mean spirited comments. As I said, I felt the comments with Meryl were quite personal rather than just a commentary on what she said.
    3.) Lots of speculative comments, i.e. with the whole Gracie Gold coaching situation. If they had a solid source that Gracie was changing coaches, they should have just went ahead and said it outright instead of all this dangling on social media.

    I'm not a pitchforks kind of girl, so I won't be participating in any witch hunts. But I hope they are mindful of the criticisms they receive and use it make the podcast even better.
    I was in no way referring to you Mrs P when I wrote that comment. I may not always agree with what you say, but you have always struck me as an eminently reasonable person (this post is a good example of that). Just your first point alone should be tacked to the front of the thread: My disagreement is with content not the people. Always an important distinction to keep in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    I was in no way referring to you Mrs P when I wrote that comment. I may not always agree with what you say, but you have always struck me as an eminently reasonable person (this post is a good example of that). Just your first point alone should be tacked to the front of the thread: My disagreement is with content not the people. Always an important distinction to keep in mind.
    I agree on all counts.

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    [QUOTE=LauraV;771991]I'm not sure people are saying Dave is himself cruel and mean-spirited, it's his comments that have been occasionally cruel and mean-spirited. A distinction like the one Dave's defenders have been making re his comments about Meryl - he wasn't calling her an idiot, just saying that her comments were idiotic. If we are going to parse words carefully on one side, we have to do it on the other side of the question too, right? Fair is fair.

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    We must have distinctively different definitions of cruel and mean-spirited. As far as I can tell, Dave and Jenny are in love with Merylie. Oops, they said something negative this week, they are so their greatest fans. Helicopter Moms should just step back. We know great skating. A helicopter mom or family is only going to make matters worse. I still like the Shibs, but their fans are making me question them now. --William

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