I've tried to watch these two several times and have given up. Their condescending and self serving manner is just too much. Who the heck are they to take on a class act like Meryl and Charlie? The sooner they're off the web the better.
I haven't read the rest of this thread and, frankly, I don't want to either. The last 15 posts that are listed on the reply page are enough to see that this is one of those very heated arguments that I try to avoid!
All I want to say is that Jenny is a brilliant skater and, even if the TSL team are annoying at times, she is a good journalist and interviewer. Plus, she was very kind in wishing me a happy birthday over on Facebook...
So, as a result, I won't hear a word against her!
Dave, on the other hand, is a different matter...
Anyway, while I do believe that Dave's rant about Meryl was catty and a tad immature, he was right that Davis and White's response to the question was absurd and cowardly.
I don't always agree with Jenny and Dave, but I do love that they care enough about the sport to spend inordinate amounts of time talking about it, especially since no one else is doing it. It doesn't hurt that both of them are intelligent, funny people that seem to have great chemistry with one another and bounce ideas/opinions off each other very well.
However, being smart does not mean you are good at being interviewed, especially if you are basically a rather shy person. And Meryl is not a great interview.
That said, the Phi Beta Kappa honor that Davis received is something very, very different from what most people think of as "making PBK" -- as in earning a PBK key upon graduation from college based on a stellar GPA (and perhaps other criteria).
Her PBK recognition was at the high school level, IIRC. Don't know what the exact criteria were.
Point of information, though: one can earn Phi Beta Kappa before graduating from college. Many earn it sometime early in the senior year, and some smarties even get chosen for it as juniors, I think.
In another thread many months ago, Mathman and I got into a mini-conversation about Davis' award. He knew a lot more about it that I did (my knowledge being nil ). Sorry that I don't remember what he said. Maybe he will chime in again and give us the scoop.
And thx, Olympia -- I do not disagree with your point that earning PBK is possible before graduation from college is imminent. Sorry that my previous post was imprecise.
Aha. Thanks for the clarification about Meryl, Golden. Impressive that she received such an award, considering how hard it must be to (1) stay on top of academics with a learning disability and (2) devote time to studies while pursuing a competitive skating career.
You were right to make the distinction in your original post. I believe the correct phrase for actual Phi Beta Kappa membership is something like "so-and-so was elected to Phi Beta Kappa."
Local phi beta kappa chapters sponsor scholarships and programs of various kinds as part of their community service mission. The phi beta kappa chapter in the northwestern suburbs of Detroit is especially active. They give out awards like the one Meryl won to high school seniors who exhibit exceptional academic achievement, leadership qualities, and participation in extracurricular and community affairs. Here is the announcement for a similar program by the Washington, D.C., chapter.
By the way, when I went to the Grove High School (Birmingham, Michigan) web site to check this out, there was a list of state championships that the school has won in various sports. In 2003, they won the state championship in figure skating. I don't know if Meryl was on the team or not.
By the way, Meryl has given some in depth interviews at the University of Michigan, contributed to panel discussions on sports-related topics, and addressed audiences. She did fine. She is not an orator (her voice is too high-pitched and light), but she is articulate and thoughtful.
David can be snarky. I think he is hardly that awful. Rather than demanding off with his internet feed, don't watch them? Would you bother with the pc skaters afraid to take a stand? David is a gay man. He is angry at what he sees as cowardly skaters. Look, NBC just chose Weir to see if he brings controversial ratings to the FS. Johnny outed Evan and got less flack than some little podcast only we ubers even watch. Why can't Dave 'haters' either ignore him or celebrate free speech. Off with his head because of his opinions?
Every position has been repeated. It is old. I tuned in thinking something must be learned -what was I missing I wondered.
I hate Howard Stern. I guess I can't get him banished, or Weir for that matter. I still don't see the huge offense. Someone here can say my comments are idiotic. So it isn't polite or pc, but it happens here. Be grateful for free speech, even if you hate what is said.
It is so attacked. Before long, every one will be unable to speak their minds. We will all have chips with reams of info. Govt will use security and illegals issue. It is coming down the road. All our freedoms stem from free speech. If you hate TSL=ignore it. It is actually pretty darn interesting and we have FS on life support.
Way more positives than some snark or humor from Dave.