That is an excellent point that applies to a lot of skaters. If you have nagging injuries that compromise your preparation, it could be a very wise choice to skip a minor beginning-of-the-season competition even if you are not flat in bed at the time of the event. Even Yuna Kim is playing it safe and taking care of her body in the early going. There will be time enough in February to throw caution to the winds and skate like there's no tomorrow, injured or not.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
Exactly! It's like, chill people, the Olympics are like 4 months away and people (including TSL) are already hyping some skaters and dissing others because of their first performances of the season!
I did not watch TSL. Not worth of my time. That's the best answer to this extremely biased pair of journalist-wanabes!
Here's the thing, TSL is capable of giving good and meaningful constructive criticism. The one that comes to mind, since we're talking about the Shibs, is the one they gave during their analysis of Worlds. They pointed out that Chock and Bates great strength is that Bates is a great stem for Chock's flower. And that with the Shibs, that same dynamic ins't really in place. Maia is absolutely gorgeous and beautiful, yet she isn't presented or stands out in their dances.
Originally Posted by WeakAnkles
I'm a huge Shibs fan (as people know pretty well here), but that was a food of thought that made me go back and watch their programs. It made me appreciate Chock and Bates a whole lot more.
I think there's a wide spectrum between sugar-coated PR and snarky, character assassinations.
Hey Mrs P. Hmm, I've been sitting here for a few minutes thinking how to respond to what you're saying. Yes there is a wide spectrum between puffery and bitchery. I think the real problem is that Mr Lease let his viscera overwhelm his professionalism. Which, as a gay man, I can completely understand. My first reaction to hearing what Charlie White had to say was, it sure is easy from the safely of being several thousand miles away to tell someone whose country is not only trying everything it can to make him/her invisible but turning a blind eye to assault and battery that it is a matter of "semantics" (well that's the polite way to explain my reaction at any extent!). I don't disagree with the essential content of what he was saying--Marlie's PR is more canned than tuna, which will ultimately make them unrelatable; Ashley Wagner did herself a whopping big favor this summer by letting people see more of her genuine self in interviews (or as he put it, "all anyone wants is for these people is to be themselves"--absolutely!); people prefer Johnny Weir as a public figure to Evan because Johnny is more genuine and true-to-himself. I think all that is spot on. But mimicking Meryl's voice is just over the top. I don't think I would go so far as to call it a character assassination, but it is certainly less than professional.
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
Here's the thing. Every media figure has the right to their own opinion. But there's a line you don't cross if you want to be respected in the field and have people agree to do interviews with you. Journalists like Diane Sawyer, or Matt Lauer have covered controversial topics. They could word a disagreement respectfully and still be opinionated.
Originally Posted by spikydurian
TSL have not paid their dues, so to speak. Phil Hersh can be jerky sometimes, but at least he is a career journalist for an actual newspaper. If TSL wants to be at that level, then they need to play the industry game and become more respected before letting any insults fly. It's like a pop singer has to do what the label wants on their first album before getting the freedom to be more artistic.
At first, I thought Dave might be dragging Jenny down, but she has the choice to stay or leave and she has made the choice to stay. I am afraid it is making her look bad which is a shame this early in her career. I think she could have gone the classy way of Manley Woman and still done some really interesting interviews, by herself. In hindsight it might have seemed hilarious, wild and wacky to partner with Dave, but it's starting to get annoying now. When your show is causing this much controversy I don't believe it's a good thing.
And yes I do believe that there is a mob bullying skaters right now (not just Dave) that really needs to stop.
Doris, that is a true voice of reason.
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
Originally Posted by leafygreens
Regarding character assassination, I was speaking more of their backless claims regarding the Shibutanis (i.e. lying about the reasoning for their WD/claims that they bribed their way to good scores) and not so much the issue of Meryl.
Originally Posted by WeakAnkles
The mocking of Meryl's voice was simply not professional.
Ashley and Meryl have very different personalities. Ashley has always been outgoing and outspoken. I remember how much flack she got in 2012 for stating that she was there to win, or something like that.
Meryl strikes to me as a more reserved person. But that doesn't mean she's unrelatable, it means how people relate to Meryl will be different than how people relate to Ashley.
Meryl has sort of that "Funny Girl" persona to me. She is humorous and funny in a very cerebral way. I mean, she did the freakin WORM during The Ice tour last summer. That cracks me up big time.
I thought the media summit was about the Sochi Olympics, not all about the Russian law. Am I wrong?
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
Does anybody deserve to be mocked and to be called "came off as an idiot" just because he/she didn't get on your bandwagon?
Originally Posted by zschultz1986
Yeah, I'd be careful of insinuating ANYONE bribed their way to good scores. You do have a point. LOL!
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
But wouldn't it be nice if more of the MERYL DAVIS, WORM DANCING GAL came out in interviews rather than MERYL DAVIS, CANNED TUNA? That's what I mean that I'm sure in day to day life they're not at all like they come across in interviews.
TSL makes a mockery of journalism. Where does this Dave guy (Adult skater) get his expertise?
I'm in heaven ... watching Tessa and Scott DANCE
Sorry, I have not watched the TSL video in question.
Originally Posted by Olympia
Were Kirk and Lease credentialed as official participants in the media summit??
Not so much about the issue at hand perhaps, but... I don't think anyone owes it to people to come out and be "personal" - some people are comfortable being all outgoing and so on - some are not. Be it actors, or athletes, or whoever. Their job is to do the best they can in their chosen vocation - not to entertain us in interviews or whatever. If they do, that is a fine bonus, to be sure, but not something we should be demanding of them. Some people are naturally more reserved or introverted. Or even shy. They may be comfortable "going all out" on stage, in a role portraying someone other than themselves, or out on the ice - or whatever - but not comfortable in interviews and with journalists.
This may, as I said, not necessarily be pertinent to the discussion at hand - but just generally how I feel on some things that have been touched upon.
A lot of skaters are very reserved and never say anything of significance. For many years, one such was Kristi Yamaguchi. She wasn't the most interesting interview, but I never thought of it as a reflection of her character. She would answer with platitudes in an almost singsong voice, as if trying to give the least possible information with the greatest possible politeness. But her skates spoke eloquently. I never found it hard to relate to her, and she's become more assured as she's grown older and more experienced. Likewise, Meryl seems like someone who wants to be thought of as a skater first and last and isn't particularly keen about sharing any more than her favorite color with the public. This means nothing in terms of how to judge her character.
Since we're using important world issues to evaluate skaters who have not chosen to weigh in on them, let me apply that technique to the TSL folks.
I'd like to know what David Lease has to say about the fact that the honeybee population is diminishing steeply and frighteningly. It's obviously due to some environmental poisoning, and since roughly one-third of America's agricultural production depends on honeybee pollination, we could be on the brink of a serious food shortage. (I'm not making this up or saying it as a joke. I've been following this story for a few years now.) This will affect people all over the country, and the fact that Lease has remained silent on it (and would probably laugh at me for bringing it up, but he'll feel the brunt of it just like everyone else real soon) might make me hazard a judgement as to his character. However, I'll be charitable.