10-09-2013, 06:58 PM
Thank you for your defense. It absolutely wasn't a lie. The evidence is available. They did say it, hopefully in jest. However, it speaks to the comment that "This and That" wasn't "tabloid trash."
Originally Posted by gmyers
I cited that conversation as evidence that they're not serious journalists, and I continue to believe they are not. "This and That" definitely is in the same vein as a tabloid.
It is a pity, because I've enjoyed several of their interviews. They are ratcheted down to a civilized and respectful tone, and I've learned things from their guests.
10-09-2013, 06:59 PM
But then again, so what? Meryl is a smart cookie. She is a student at the University of Michigan majoring in cultural anthropology and minoring in Italian. She makes the dean's list every semester. I am pretty sure she won some sort of national scholastic award in high school. She is her fraternity's "woman of the year." If she likes Scheherazade just because she likes it (and if the man she admires most is her father ) -- that's OK with me.
Originally Posted by TheCzar
10-09-2013, 07:11 PM
Nope, he didn't make it up. I am sure about they talked about slicked hair and lactating breasts, and there was definitely a Jason Brown comment.
Originally Posted by LiamForeman
10-09-2013, 07:21 PM
The difference is those athletes didn't do anything wrong, except offend Lease's sensibilities. TSL are in the wrong for provoking, accusing, and mocking skaters. Mean girls don't deserve nice.
Originally Posted by zschultz1986
10-09-2013, 07:30 PM
So, let me get this straight - are you actually suggesting that anyone who would come up with such comments is psychologically ill? Because you do realise what you've just accused TSL of in that case? But... probably not.
Originally Posted by LiamForeman
Also, I would imagine that questioning the sanity of fellow forum members would cross GS lines on civility. At the very least you do owe TontoK an apology.
10-09-2013, 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by Mrs. P
I am a fan of the Shibs and the recent TSL comments on the Shibs mystify me. You make some good points Mrs. P.
I am just chalking it up to - I don't expect to agree with anyone all the time.
It can be tricky distinguishing between entertaining snark on the one hand and meanspiritedness on the other. I am hoping Dave and Jenny learn to negotiate that divide a little better in the future.
10-09-2013, 08:26 PM
A journalist who puts a skater on the hot-seat over this issue should be more negatively judged than a skater who refuses to answer. The mere asking of the question is wrong and potentially endangers the athlete by trying to make the athlete take a stand when potentially there could be consequences.
These laws in Russia are horrible and sick, but, above all, I hope and pray with all my heart no skater is blacklisted by the ISF, the IOC or the judges for saying or doing anything in respect of this issue. They deserve the right to compete and be judged on the basis of their skating. Journalists should back off from even touching it in interviews with them.
Don't care what a journalist thinks his or her obligations are in asking the hard questions, some questions are wrong. Yes, it is a value judgment. I hope that the next skater who gets the question asked of him or her turns the table on the journalist by asking the journalist why s/he thinks s/he has the right to endanger the skater by asking that question. The question is not being asked innocently. No way.
TSL does some good stuff and I hope they stay around, but on this issue, I don't even have to go to their after-comments (which are ludicrous and despicable) to find a reason to condemn them. The very asking of the question deserves condemnation. This is just too serious to let ride because there is too much at stake.
10-09-2013, 08:37 PM
Please don't report his comment and have it removed. I really want it to stay right where it is. I would value an apology because I think one is warranted, but I'm not holding my breath.
Originally Posted by LRK
10-09-2013, 10:49 PM
Too much at stake? For whom, the skaters? What about the gay people in Russia that are being beaten and harassed and freedoms are being stripped away, in a country that is hosting something that is supposed to be about tolerance, fair-play, and freedom? No, they have every right to say that they don't want to answer or that is isn't their place to comment, or that they're focused on their job (skating) but, I'm sorry, you're 1000% percent WRONG. They SHOULD and NEED to be asked.
Originally Posted by phaeljones
10-10-2013, 06:19 AM
When I was in China talking to this wannabe Italian journalist, she went to Xinjiang. She bragged about asking the Xinjiang locals about the censorship by the Beijing government. She thought she was being very subversive and clever. I disagreed with what she did. If she were really interested in the locals' lives, she could ask them indirectly and obliquely about other matters to infer what was going on without putting anyone in a difficult position. Instead, she asked questions that could jeopardize anyone who talked to her. All this for a bit of journalistic glory. It was selfish and had little to do with educating the world about the Uighurs.
This is the same thing with the gay issue in Russia. No, athletes, journalists, gay people, etc. shouldn't be put in a tough spot just so some activists and "journalists" can feel their cause is validated. No one owes you anything, especially if it endangers their chances to win OGM and their physical safety.
10-10-2013, 07:51 AM
It's all right - I haven't reported it, nor will I.
Originally Posted by TontoK
10-10-2013, 08:04 AM
That's my take on it too, BlackPack.
Originally Posted by BlackPack
If getting more people in skating rinks in this country could change the law or rescue people in Russia, I'd feel differently about it, but the fact is it can't. Moreover, I'm sure that pretty much all the skaters in the U.S. know and support gay friends and gay people in general and dislike this awful law. So what does it prove by asking such a question of a skater when skaters have been told to avoid making statements on the matter? Keeping in mind that the people asking the questions are not spreading the word to a huge listening audience. David and Jenny are not broadcasting on ABC or writing in Time Magazine. They're reaching a few thousand fans at most. So who benefits from this? Certainly not the beleaguered LGBT people of Russia.
10-10-2013, 09:48 AM
I agree with these last posts of BlackPack and Olympia. I watched a few of the TSL interviews that had guests on that interested me, but I don't bother with anything else they put out there. I think Dave and Jenny need to decide whether they want to primarily be 1) serious journalists 2) entertainers and "pop icons" or 3) activists. Trying to be all of these simultaneously seems ultimately self-defeating.
10-10-2013, 10:24 AM
I agree. I have a really hard time distinguishing their snark, which is probably part of my problem with them. Like when they would talk about Ashley earlier in the summer, it was hard for me to figure out if they were laughing with her or at her. And then Ashley came on and they played it out like it was all just good ol' fashioned teasing. Which it might have been. Or not.
Originally Posted by LauraV
10-10-2013, 10:37 AM
Sometimes bad skating happens to good people...
I apologize. There. But I think you are being entirely way too personal with your attacks on someone you do not even know. So maybe we should all have a collective apology session. Jenny and Dave are working hard to make skating interesting and relevant again. As the old saying goes don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. I hadn't thought about skating in over a year, and was tired of the mean girlish crap on FSU. Be a part of the solution and stop your Bitter Betty posts. So yes, I apologize. I have far too much going on in my life to reduce myself to that level. Truce?
Originally Posted by TontoK