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Virtue and Moir's Finlandia levels?

dorispulaski

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The simplest answer is sometimes the best one:

The tech panel correctly and ethically assigned the appropriate levels to the lift and the spin that were performed on that night.

I believe Doris has already provided a plausible breakdown of where levels were lost, and I haven't seen anyone dispute her analysis with alternate technical explanations. My understanding is that V/M have already acknowledged that the levels were fairly assigned.

I'm not sure how we went from there to Maurizio was "helping" or "hurting."

Edit: I'm now not certain the italicized portion is true... I may have misread other information... but leaving it in for clarification/discussion.

Nope. Maurizio was only at Finlandia as one of the coaches of V&M and of Finnish teams. But he is a tech specialist, so if he felt the the downgrades V&M were given were unfounded, he could have helped Marina protest the results.
Presumably, since silence is assent, and since V&M did not challenge the results, they were OK with them. Since they won the competition by many points, I doubt that they would take the trouble, for that matter, and might be glad to know that they had some issues.

Checking whether you have level issues is one of the reasons that elite level teams go to B level competitions...that and the ISU points you get from competing there.
 

Matt K

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BlackPack, I believe that you have misunderstood Matt K's point. As far as I can tell, he is not disagreeing with your distinction btwn coach and consultant (and neither am I).

To me, Matt K's separate point (which by no means negates yours) is that Margaglio works with both Davis/White and Virtue/Moir (as well as other members of Team Canton) -- and is supporting both D/W and V/M with whatever expertise that he offers.

So not only is Margaglio helping V/M earn every tenth of a point that they can (with the ultimate goal of outscoring D/W) -- but also Margaglio is helping D/W earn every tenth that they can (with the ultimate goal of outscoring V/M).

Exactly!! That is my point.

Thank you!
 

chuckm

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Gyorgy Elek formerly skated for Hungary in ice dance with Zsuzsanna NAGY.
The other Tech specialist on the JGP team was Doreen HOPPE from Great Britain.
The Tech Controller was Katalin ALPERN (ISR).

The only interesting thing here is that Alpern was originally from Hungary, and Doreen Hoppe's husband Gary used to judge for Israel, so there is a HUN-ISR-GBR connection among the tech panel.
 

bramweld

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V/M were the ones to struggle the most with levels after Igor left. Them actually and the Shibs. Really and truly IMHO, Marina and Igor breaking up really hurt them. I get the feeling that it is a great challenge for them to merge the technical and the artistic just because of how naturally gifted they are as performers and dancers. They needed therefore that sharp eye to keep them on track, Igor's. That being said they just have to work harder and or smarter to get the levels up. It's a pity that they don't seem to have the option of having him as a consultant, even though Marina is their main coach at the moment. Seems silly to me to let personal issues between to grown people (Igor and Marina) get in the way of them possibly vying for a record tying second Olympic gold medal in ice dance. Oh well:rolleye:
 

TontoK

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The only interesting thing here is that Alpern was originally from Hungary, and Doreen Hoppe's husband Gary used to judge for Israel, so there is a HUN-ISR-GBR connection among the tech panel.

Ah-ha!!! I just KNEW there was a conspiracy! :laugh:
 

elif

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Besides levels, they don't have a one good lift this season. Remember their 2008 FD first lift, or goose, or carmen lift from last year. :yes: This season their first and second rotational lift looking same to me. :eek: Its a boring lift which they used nearly every dance from 2011 to 2014. I know it is easy for them because shoulder balance but why two of them in one dance I don't undertand. :rolleye: :slink: And first lift not going with the music at all.

2013 OD
http://youtu.be/cTxiTVPDhXg?t=3m17s
2013 FD
http://youtu.be/p42d1VwRxuk?t=2m56s
2012 FD
http://youtu.be/q0exiwsPa9U?t=3m45s
2011 FD
http://youtu.be/wTGdeEfZuUI?t=4m16s

Only found this for doing same position:
Notes:
 a chosen example of Difficult Pose shall be considered for Level only the first time it occurs, whether it be in a Short Lift or in a part of Long
Lift;
 examples b) (full “Biellmann) and c) (full doughnut/ring) shall be considered as the same example of Difficult Pose.
http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-204786-222009-173276-0-file,00.pdf
 

bramweld

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^^ Some interesting points. I think they want the dance to look easy from the get go. So they're going with the familiar. Can't really blame them really. Tessa's injuries, the management of, and just time may be against them. But I do hope they can at least work out their levels if nothing much else.
 

dorispulaski

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I think part of the idea of this dance is to have subtle references to their past programs; it is supposed to sum up their career experience. I suspect that's why some of the lifts have some familiar parts.
 
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