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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Otherwise, it is hard to evaluate the choreography, because in the only performance we have seen so far, she missed every jump except the first and last. This robbed the program of its drama. Plus, when you double an intended triple, that throws the pacing off for the rest of the program. Land the jumps, land the jumps, land the jumps. I think it will be fine.
    I agree with this prescription. If she can nail her technical elements, she is going to contend. On the other hand, if she doesn't nail her elements, most critically her jumps, then any improvements she can realistically make in her artistic components and packaging in the run-up to Nationals and (presumably) Sochi are not going to be significant enough to save her.

    In my view, that was the lesson to be drawn from SLC. Unlike Yuna/Caro/Mao, Gracie cannot, at this point in her development and career, expect her chestnuts to be pulled out of the fire by a dominant cushion in PCS if she has a bad jumping day.

    IMHO, Gracie's improvement plan needs to address both aspects, of course, but it also needs to have a very strong sense of priorities.

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    Consistency and pacing will fix the LP. SLC she rushed through every piece of choreo and every jump entry except the 3Lz+3T in the LP. I would like to see her just relax into this program because it DOES have potential and yeah, a different color/cut dress would be a good idea.

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    Hopefully Frank can slow Gracie down a bit and take her time. If she can land her jumps she's easily going to Sochi.

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    About the SP - is there no other version of the same music than this one with the screechy violins? I don't know if I think the music is the problem, as much as this particular version of it? (I'm not familiar with it, so it makes it difficult to judge, when all one hears is the screechy violins that make me want to hold my hands to my ears... )

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    ^ The works were composed for solo piano. Here is Gershwin playing Gershwin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEUH4H7gog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ The works were composed for solo piano. Here is Gershwin playing Gershwin.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEUH4H7gog
    Thanks, Mathman! Wow - I like that so much better. Couldn't she skate to this version - or similar - instead? Wouldn't that be a relatively easy fix?

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    When was the last time someone missed a podium because of a costume lol (as someone suggested gold might if she didn't change costumes)?

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    The costume is dreadful. They do care...it is part of presentation. The Russians lose points for bad costumes, I am convinced. Everything is wrong with this LP right down to the milkmaid hairdo and the illfitting, novice like costume. Yes, nail the jumps and it doesn't matter so much. But when Alissa gets points for presentation, it is partly her beauty and flawless packaging.

    If everyone hates the costume, better she get a new one for GP season. She changed coaches, why not costume? BTW Zoueva needs to get rid of some transitions. Zoueva seems to have a weird sense of who gracie is. I'm thinking the SP has more potential-the costume is for a woman of , what, 18? It is a shame-I loved her look last year and her programs were better. Marina needs to rework it all. So far, at JO, Wagner outskated her. Gracie needs a powerful piece of music, where she can have easier jump set ups. I want an athletic vehicle where she can concentrate fully jumps. She could be 4th easily with a cleanish skate. This girl is an athlete, and that is how she needs to be seen. I am convinced both her and ash will easily be top ten, but should beat 4th and 7th.Mirai Rachael 2010. Wagner's program is growing on me. Her JO debut was darn good. Gracie needs to shine, and this aint it.

    I want an amazing vehicle for Grace, this music/look is a;; wrong for her now. ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deedee1 View Post
    I didn't follow the discussion here, so that has lead me to check it out on YT... and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqcs5...yer_detailpage


    I have to agree with hanca. Gracie needs better costume than the current one for sure, if she is serious about going to the Games and aiming for a podium finish both at Sochi and Tokyo...


    But it's not necessarily this pink because there are hundreds of pink, you know...I would rather see something like Yukari's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkCnSFf_WSY

    As for her programs this season, let's wait until how she skates at actual GPs, shall we?
    Yukari was 21-year-old university student then. She was definitely much more matured, and indeed it was good color for her.

    And this pink for 16 years old is better
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlYGfkxaL20

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    Zoueva seems to have a weird sense of who gracie is.
    Looking back, Mao's fans felt in exactly the same way about TT made her that strong LP for Olympics last time. And what she said to Mao was "Overcome it". People, including Japanese Federation had faith in TT.
    So the question is, of course we want to see every season something new from skaters, but if it's a good time try to develop new dimension from the skater right before Olympics or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamon View Post
    Looking back, Mao's fans felt in exactly the same way about TT made her that strong LP for Olympics last time. And what she said to Mao was "Overcome it". People, including Japanese Federation had faith in TT.
    So the question is, of course we want to see every season something new from skaters, but if it's a good time try to develop new dimension from the skater right before Olympics or not.
    Actually, I liked Bells of Moscow very much and I don't think she would have won gold with another program anyway. I don't understand what exactly expected fans or the Japanese Federation, Mao's result at the Olympics was good and being a fan myself I was really pleased with that unexpected choice of music.

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    A skater definitely shouldn't get points for their beauty. There was one year Alissa was not packaged so well imo: The year she seemed partial to shorty nightgowns. Usually though she is well dressed. Here are some of her costumes which didn't make it as far as I am concerned.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeff8372emt/4935088989/

    http://finalflight.blogspot.com/2011...ter-short.html

    Could someone post the criteria for judging presentation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    Actually, I liked Bells of Moscow very much and I don't think she would have won gold with another program anyway. I don't understand what exactly expected fans or the Japanese Federation, Mao's result at the Olympics was good and being a fan myself I was really pleased with that unexpected choice of music.
    Her result was good, and I agree that there was no beating Yuna in Vancouver without stronger jumps. However, BoM was so heavy and really made Mao look sluggish out there IMO. I actually don't think that music is suitable for any female skater; maybe someone like Yagudin could do something with it but it is far too heavy for a woman to skate to.

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