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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I am a member of a minority too. I also understand and take extra care for the minority group's needs. However, I do not sacrifice moral standard for anything.
    Every one on this board has high moral standards. (It's a requirement. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    However, I do not sacrifice moral standard for anything.
    Yes you do. You lower your standards for how a certain group of people should be treated, solely out of fear of something that doesn't effect you to begin with.

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    To forcefully inject politics into the Olympics is a selfish act.
    And yet that's what Russia has done, since the country's leader wants to make himself appear more powerful and there are enough uneducated citizens within the country who latch onto his hateful beliefs as a means of personal comfort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    There are many ways to support a cause or a subset of people. Loudly and openly demanding rights is just one of them. For most people, including those within the group fighting for rights, probably the best is to live a life that shows they are no different from the majority other than the one difference being focused on, be it race or sexual orientation, or better yet to excel and succeed better than the general population or to support such rights and opportunities as Patrick does. In doing so, more and more people will realize and eventually acknowledge the equality.
    One should not have to earn the right to not be discriminated against or stigmatized by society through successes. It should be par for the course. If you are being discriminated against, you must demand rights. There have been numerous LGBT people historically who have achieved success and gays are still stigmatized, so clearly that doesn't significantly affect a minority's standing in society.

    It's like saying, now that Obama is President, everyone should quit being racist to black people (when obviously there never should have been discrimination in the first place). It shouldn't have to take a member of a minority to "break barriers" just so the rest of the minority can be start to be free of discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Every one on this board has high moral standards. (It's a requirement. )
    Ah, but some animals are more equal than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    One should not have to earn the right to not be discriminated against or stigmatized by society through successes. It should be par for the course. If you are being discriminated against, you must demand rights. There have been numerous LGBT people historically who have achieved success and gays are still stigmatized, so clearly that doesn't significantly affect a minority's standing in society.

    It's like saying, now that Obama is President, everyone should quit being racist to black people (when obviously there never should have been discrimination in the first place). It shouldn't have to take a member of a minority to "break barriers" just so the rest of the minority can be start to be free of discrimination.
    It's not at all what I said or implied to not demand rights. Demanding rights directly and forcefully is just one of the ways to bring about changes but there is a time and place for it. It can create backlash or be very dangerous at the wrong place and the wrong time. Even in the US laws have only started to change for the LGBT recently and the attitude of the whole society has still a way to go for full acceptance. In a democracy, changes in laws and practice follow changes in people's perception and attitude, not always for the better, e.g. Muslims' rights and safety have suffered greatly since 9/11. Any effective way to make people realize a discriminated group is no threat to but much like the rest of the society goes a long way to effect changes in attitude. And different cultures and societies do not evolve at the same way, time, or pace. One cannot demand other countries to elect the same laws as soon as one's own country does. Keep in mind that your own society is likely considered backward in some ways by other people. E.g. US and Canada certainly take their time to ratify the wrongs and atrocities committed against the Chinese, Japanese and the aboriginal peoples.

    As I said, one has the right to choose one's causes as well as the ways to support these causes. I believe it's most important to change minds, one at the time, until the critical mass is reached when rapid changes will occur. So it's up to each person to act according to what s/he considers the most effective way to change minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    Technically not gold medal. patrick is insistent that his coach is knowledgable about the technical aspects of skating. We'll see how his jumps are this season. Artistically, Patrick has thrived due to Cathy Johnson and is had and shoulders above his competitors in terms of artistic considerations. Shows that there are some benefits of having a modern dance teacher as a coach.
    Too bad he is inconsistent. Patrick was such a joy to watch at an ice show... He did fall... lol... but he had the biggest smile on his face and got right back up. He brought a huge smile on my face as well. He is a charming skater and does have talents. As long as his nerves doesn't get to him, I think he's got chances.

    I hate to repost about this on another thread, but I am selling Skate Canada tickets. Prime seats (Section C- Row 2). I bought these for $180 per ticket, but I am selling them for $160 for both. IF anyone would like to buy them, please let me know. I really wanted to go see Patrick and Tessa couple, but I just can't make it anymore.... :(

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    Oh dear gosh - let the kids skate. Let's not try to over analyze people's words if it wasn't Patty it would be Meryl or Dai or whoever. Respect yes is important. I don't think any skaters are trying to make forced political perspectives - they just want to skate to be the best in an atmosphere of competitive sportsmanship.

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