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    GP predictions game??!

    We have talkes about having the GP predictions game again this year, but after that discussion no-one did anything more... Macassar88 would you like to manage it again? Anyone else? I can't do it, but I would really like to play, last year it was fantastic!

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    I'm willing to manage or help manage it (I think Macassar88 said he was not interested but if I am wrong just speak up, I'd be happy to defer to you), but if so I'd want it to be simplified at least a bit from last year. I'd propose that we do guess the top 4 instead of top 5 (since Mrs P had a very good point in another thread about that letting people mix it up more in situations where the top 3 are more or less gimmies but I still think top 5 was a lot in terms of scoring at times). However, I propose that we simplify scoring slightly by just saying (again borrowing from Mrs P):

    If a team is in the position that is guessed, you get 100% of their competition score (i.e. if their total competition score was 150.44, you'd get 150.44)
    If the team is one position off (i.e. you guess they're in 2nd but they come in 3rd or 1st) you get 66% of their score
    If a team is two positions off (i.e. you guess 3rd but they're 1st or 5th) you get 33% of their score

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    I'm willing to manage or help manage it (I think Macassar88 said he was not interested but if I am wrong just speak up, I'd be happy to defer to you), but if so I'd want it to be simplified at least a bit from last year. I'd propose that we do guess the top 4 instead of top 5 (since Mrs P had a very good point in another thread about that letting people mix it up more in situations where the top 3 are more or less gimmies but I still think top 5 was a lot in terms of scoring at times). However, I propose that we simplify scoring slightly by just saying (again borrowing from Mrs P):

    If a team is in the position that is guessed, you get 100% of their competition score (i.e. if their total competition score was 150.44, you'd get 150.44)
    If the team is one position off (i.e. you guess they're in 2nd but they come in 3rd or 1st) you get 66% of their score
    If a team is two positions off (i.e. you guess 3rd but they're 1st or 5th) you get 33% of their score

    Thoughts?
    I would like to help scoring, so (just to make sure that I have understood everything) if my SA Ladies prediction is:
    1) asada
    2) wagner
    3) radionova
    4) tuktamysheva
    and the final result is:
    1) wagner 175 points
    2) asada 173 points
    3) radionova 164 points
    4) marchei 159 points (imagining a Tuktamysheva's meltdown )
    what is the result?
    (But, with this system the points depend on the judges and on how strict the technical panel is from competition to competition... maybe it would be better to use GP points (15 for 1st, 13 for 2nd etc) and then applying the system you explained)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    I would like to help scoring, so (just to make sure that I have understood everything) if my SA Ladies prediction is:
    1) asada
    2) wagner
    3) radionova
    4) tuktamysheva
    and the final result is:
    1) wagner 175 points
    2) asada 173 points
    3) radionova 164 points
    4) marchei 159 points (imagining a Tuktamysheva's meltdown )
    what is the result?
    (But, with this system the points depend on the judges and on how strict the technical panel is from competition to competition... maybe it would be better to use GP points (15 for 1st, 13 for 2nd etc) and then applying the system you explained)
    With the system I explained, you'd get 115.5 points for wagner, 114.18 for Asada, and 164 for Radionova. You might also get some point for Liza if she were 5th or 6th. You'd then add them up.

    I have no objection to using GP points instead but don't have a strong opinion either way. In that case you'd get 9.9 for Wagner, 8.58 for Asada, 11 for Radionova, and maybe also some for Liza if she finished 5th or 6th.

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    I think GP points would be better than competitions points... these are huge numbers and rather hard to handle, and additionally, you actually get more points from some categories than others (meaning, since the men score the highest numbers, guessing the men right gives you more points than ladies, pairs or dance - and I don't want to have the men being worth more than the ladies ). Looking at the way the skaters get points for their GP placements, maybe we could do something like 15 points for the 1st place, 13 for 2nd and so on.... or it's 15 points if you got a placement right, and 13 (or less) of you got a skater wrong by one placements (like saying Mao will win, but she's 2nd at the end).
    This game is for fun, and it will be no matter what kind of 'scoring' you choose (or Macasser88, if he wants to), I just think numbers like that would be easier to handle. So maybe we could still guess top 5, not just top 4.

    But anyway, I'd volunteer to help with the scoring, if that's okay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    I think GP points would be better than competitions points... these are huge numbers and rather hard to handle, and additionally, you actually get more points from some categories than others (meaning, since the men score the highest numbers, guessing the men right gives you more points than ladies, pairs or dance - and I don't want to have the men being worth more than the ladies ). Looking at the way the skaters get points for their GP placements, maybe we could do something like 15 points for the 1st place, 13 for 2nd and so on.... or it's 15 points if you got a placement right, and 13 (or less) of you got a skater wrong by one placements (like saying Mao will win, but she's 2nd at the end).
    This game is for fun, and it will be no matter what kind of 'scoring' you choose (or Macasser88, if he wants to), I just think numbers like that would be easier to handle. So maybe we could still guess top 5, not just top 4.

    But anyway, I'd volunteer to help with the scoring, if that's okay
    I'd like to do top 5 if possible so maybe GP numbers is better. Assuming I do 'organize' this I will definitely need help with scoring yes

    I'm gonna give Macasser88 24 hours or so to chime in. If not I'll start a thread in the GP forums for people to make predictions.

    ETA: How do we feel about just plain old 15 points if you get a placement right (whether 1st 2nd 3rd 4th or 5th) 10 points if you're off by one placement, 5 if you're off by two placements? Too simple???

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    But simple is good! Alright, so you can count me in to help with the scoring ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by tulosai View Post
    I'd like to do top 5 if possible so maybe GP numbers is better. Assuming I do 'organize' this I will definitely need help with scoring yes

    I'm gonna give Macasser88 24 hours or so to chime in. If not I'll start a thread in the GP forums for people to make predictions.

    ETA: How do we feel about just plain old 15 points if you get a placement right (whether 1st 2nd 3rd 4th or 5th) 10 points if you're off by one placement, 5 if you're off by two placements? Too simple???
    Actually that sounds like a great idea....

    And I'll help or coordinate with scoring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Actually that sounds like a great idea....

    And I'll help or coordinate with scoring.
    Looking forward to this season's predictions game! tulosai (or whoever ends up organizing this), if you still need more helpers for scoring I'd be happy to volunteer as well.

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    Beware GS'ers. Tonto wants to enter the game.

    You'll all be playing for second place!

    Now for the trash talk:

    Yo mama's sit spin is so wobbly, it looks like her chair is missing a leg!

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    That's insensitive to everyone on the board. You should be ashamed for talking like that. We are people too. What a tabloid rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    So now you understand?

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    Hey guys I think I'll be way too busy to manage. But I think that any of the ideas mentioned here would be great.

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