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    2013-2014 Skate America - Ladies Championshps

    Hello Everyone -- I'm sure many of you watched this afternoon's Skate America television broadcast. After quite a while of not watching these competitions, it was great to tune in again and enjoy the knowledgeable commentary of Scott Hamilton, Sandra Bezic, and Tom Hammond. While I still miss the old scoring system and the rush of seeing those 6.0s.....it is what it is.

    IMHO, Ashley Wagner won the long program, hands down, and she should have won the title. OK, I did not see the short program, which Osada won handily, but doesn't the long program carry much more weight in the final score? Wagner had a few minor errors (two-footed landing), but otherwise, she skated aggresively and "nailed" her jumps. It was a championship-caliber performance. Osada, on the other hand, fell on her triple axel, doubled a planned triple in one of her combinations, and made other mistakes. The final score was relatively close; however, the best long program did not win.

    One reason I stopped watching figure skating was the bias of the judges. Thank Heavens the Cold War is over, but it definitely appeared, to me at least, that the judges were scoring on reputation (with Osada being the 2010 Olympic silver medalist and a great skater) and Wagner (with a less impressive resume).

    Thanks for reading my two cents! It should be a very exciting Olympic season. All the best to the wonderful skaters!!

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    I think Asada was overscored by about 10 points, but should have won the competition. Wagner did not give a championship-caliber performance. She had many underrotated/two-footed jumps, a cheated 3-3 that somehow received full credit, and poor quality/low level spins.

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    Ashley's jumps were not on today aside from the 3-3. Had she rotated all of them she might have won the LP but still wouldn't have caught Mao after the SP. Ashley also gives up a lot of points on the spins, whereas Mao does not. Figure skating is a numbers game and how a program looks isn't necessarily indicative of how well the technical elements were performed.

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    IMHO Ashley did not skate well at all. I found myself shouting at the TV, "Stop with the stupid jumps already and skate!"

    I can't stand the COP.

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    I watched Skate America with non-skating fans, and they were wondering why the Japanese girl came in first and why Ashley didn't win the whole thing.

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    ^ I'm curious. Did your friends like Ashley's program enough that they wanted to watch more skating in the future?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    IMHO Ashley did not skate well at all. I found myself shouting at the TV, "Stop with the stupid jumps already and skate!"
    She was stiff today. Both her and Mao's PCS were generous for what they put out there, but a mediocre Mao is at least 3 points better on PCS than a mediocre Ashley so the placements were right, and that's all that matters.

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    ^ I do not agree that that's all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    I watched Skate America with non-skating fans, and they were wondering why the Japanese girl came in first and why Ashley didn't win the whole thing.
    That's because Scott and Sandra didn't explain to the audience Wagner's weaknesses. And that Asada's actually the better skater.

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    I didn't watch it - I tuned into the San Francisco 49er Football Game, but I jumped over to see the tail end of the broadcast. All I can say is Scott looks much healthier than he has the last few years (I think due to medication as he was quite puffy in the face). That made me happy to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    That's because Scott and Sandra didn't explain to the audience Wagner's weaknesses. And that Asada's actually the better skater.
    I really can't recall the last time Scott and Sandra explained anything.

    They did come close once during the men's replay. Scott said something like, "the new system is so complicated now. When you fall, there's a deduction for falling, then you lose a grade of execution for the jump, which is ... haha." And then he trailed off and never picked it up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I think Asada was overscored by about 10 points, but should have won the competition. Wagner did not give a championship-caliber performance. She had many underrotated/two-footed jumps, a cheated 3-3 that somehow received full credit, and poor quality/low level spins.
    I agree Asada was overscored by about 10 points. But Wagner has something to develop to be on the podium in the Olympics: transition and spins.
    During the program, she usually skates on two feet. It's not a skating quality to be expected for an Olympic medal contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverpond View Post
    Hello Everyone -- I'm sure many of you watched this afternoon's Skate America television broadcast. After quite a while of not watching these competitions, it was great to tune in again and enjoy the knowledgeable commentary of Scott Hamilton, Sandra Bezic, and Tom Hammond. While I still miss the old scoring system and the rush of seeing those 6.0s.....it is what it is.

    IMHO, Ashley Wagner won the long program, hands down, and she should have won the title. OK, I did not see the short program, which Osada won handily, but doesn't the long program carry much more weight in the final score? Wagner had a few minor errors (two-footed landing), but otherwise, she skated aggresively and "nailed" her jumps. It was a championship-caliber performance. Osada, on the other hand, fell on her triple axel, doubled a planned triple in one of her combinations, and made other mistakes. The final score was relatively close; however, the best long program did not win.

    One reason I stopped watching figure skating was the bias of the judges. Thank Heavens the Cold War is over, but it definitely appeared, to me at least, that the judges were scoring on reputation (with Osada being the 2010 Olympic silver medalist and a great skater) and Wagner (with a less impressive resume).

    Thanks for reading my two cents! It should be a very exciting Olympic season. All the best to the wonderful skaters!!
    It's Asada, not Osada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ I'm curious. Did your friends like Ashley's program enough that they wanted to watch more skating in the future?
    Yes, they liked Ashley best because she didn't fall and her jumps looked steady and secure. They never mentioned artistry, except saying that they noticed the skaters somethings intersperse the program with pretty movements, probably to catch their breath after a jump.

    They HATED the men (except for the Japanese man who won) because people were falling left and right. They didn't really care that the falls were on a quad attempt. It was very, very disruptive for them. They really had no desire to look at a program after 2 falls, saying that it looked too painful and dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brightphoton View Post
    They HATED the men (except for the Japanese man who won) because people were falling left and right. They didn't really care that the falls were on a quad attempt. It was very, very disruptive for them. They really had no desire to look at a program after 2 falls, saying that it looked too painful and dangerous.
    Reasonable. I say, it is painful, but you feel less in competitions, for you are focused on something else. Machida didn't fall, right?

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