The Skating Lesson - Hating on the Shibs and Davis/White as people
Jenny Kirk and Dave Lease of The Skating Lesson have definitely made an indelible mark for themselves this season.
Some of their interviews have been really interesting and fun. When guests like Frank Carroll and Sandra Bezic did the talking, I became a fan. Now that the season is actually under way however they seem to be very focused on bringing attention to their own views on certain issues and are attacking certain skaters on the basis of issues that more to do with who these skaters are as people than their actual skating.
In the October 6th This and That, they take aim at Maia Shibutani, Alex Shibutani and Meryl Davis in a way that is really, well, no other word for it, but ugly.
Jenny and Dave have always made it clear they dislike and disrespect the Shibutani's. From posted comments people actually perceive that the correct term is "hate." Jenny and Dave can dislike their skating if that is their opinion. What they do though is focus on attacking their character and who they are as people. They find them childish and "12 years old", insinuate that they are dishonest people. Without seeing them skate yet they conclude that their approach to the season is "one giant mistake."
The Skating Lesson obviously prefers other ice dance teams. They are entitled to have their preferences and opinions, no question about it. The repeated attacks on the Shibutanis however are very much about who they are as people.
What is really equally strange to me is that Jenny and Dave have done a 180 on Meryl. They used to put Meryl Davis on a pedestal, like she could do no wrong. Their admiration was almost on par with their fandom for the Michele. But especially because Meryl and Charlie did not express views about the Russian anti-Gay laws that were aligned with their personal views, they rant on about how "idiotic" they are. Idiotic. Really? Meryl is inappropriately too wrapped up in her quest for a Gold medal.
TSL can think whatever they want and share their views with whomever they want about their programs and skating. Nobody including myself is forced to watch or listen. But as hard working young people who are in my opinion very decent and honest ambassadors for their sport, I don't think Maia, Alex and Meryl deserve this kind of treatment. Just my opinion.
Why people still find these two remotely interesting baffles me.
Eh, I find it best just not to watch. I've already shared my piece regarding my disagreements with TSL so I won't repeat it here.
The best thing to do is to support the Shibutanis by watching their videos over and over. I'm hoping they're YouTube content partners so they get a portion of the ad revenue.
You can always tell when someone does not like someone's skating and personality. They attack something other than the skating or music or choreography. I find it disturbing that Jenny Kirk goes on and on saying "it's about the honesty!"
Honestly, why would you pick on Maia, Alex and Meryl. From everything I've ever seen of them all 3 of them seem like some of the most intelligent, decent, positive people in the sport.
Mrs. P what are you disagreements with TSL? They crossed (another) line her, don't you think?
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Your perceptions are incredibly wrong. I guess you don't understand sarcasm, witty banter, or truthful concern? They don't dislike any of these people you have named and if they did, so what? It's an OPINION, shared forthrightly and for a very real purpose.
It's clear that too many members of the human population still can't handle dealing with uncomfortable truths or thoughtful analysis. Better to just look at the surface of everything and/or ignore problems, right? Such a backward mentality.
I've notice that the word "honest" is used in all sorts of odd ways these days. When someone makes some uncensored comment, it's referred to as "honesty," and when someone is reserved or (Heaven help us) repressed, that person is castigated for being "dishonest." Honesty involves ethical behavior. An honest person keeps his hands out of the till, accepts the blame when he makes a mistake, and doesn't spread lies about other people. People don't have to divulge full and complete opinions about every topic on cue in order to qualify as honest.
^ That's a great point. When Meryl and Charlie say, "We haven't talked much about it," that is a polite way of saying, "We're not going to tell you what we talk about."
I don't know about these interviews. Aunt Joyce is entertaining. Jenny is a breath of fresh air in a sport that had Peggy whose grammar is lousy as chief commentator for decades. She never said anything the least bit interesting and hated Tara for her confidence.
A seldom honest comment made that clear as she adored MK. Fauning. I like that these people speak thir minds to a point. They are hardly outrageous. Hardly groundbreaking.
There is a thread in politics about Putin. But given how many gay men in the sport refuse to speak up...it shows how scared people are to be themselves. If one is a gay skater and refuses to speak up for oneself, can you expect others to champion you?
I respect an Ashley Wagner more than say ??? people who allow bashing of people for being what they were born to be. At what price an Olympic medal?
As an adult, I've never felt that I needed celebrity endorsements to validate my own views on any subject.
My support/nonsupport of gun control does not rely on what Charlton Heston has to say.
My support/nonsupport of the environmental movement is not a decision held in reserve until I hear from Barbara Streisand.
And I don't need Ashley Wagner, or the Shibs, or Meryl Davis to clear things up for me on gay rights.
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Then don't go to a media summit. It wasn't a personal question, it's about a relevant World issue. Meryl&Charlie's Olympic teammates can be put in prison in Russia, if they are seen "doing something gay". How do they feel about that? Give a real answer or don't attend to begin with.
Originally Posted by Mathman
+1. Anyone who has consistently watched TSL knows that Dave & Jenny have been complimentary toward the Shibs and hugely supportive/superfans of D&W. They've made me invested in skating again because they're making these skaters into personalities again, which is something the sport has so lacked.
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
And commenting on the Shibs music choice or comments that D&W made at the freaking Media Summit is all fair game. I love that they own their opinions.
And I say this as a huge Meryl Davis fan.
Dave and Jenny (TSL) have repeatedly, to quote the original poster's words, "hated on" Virtue/Moir last season, and worse too by insinuating lies to perpetuate further rumours/lies like Tessa faked her leg cramp, etc...Only that time, most D/W ubers loved it and ran with it to smear V/M any chance they could (read the archives of this forum). Now, he is stating his negative opinion on D/W and it's all of a sudden not OK (to the point that it needs it own thread?).
Indeed. It's sad that it takes comments about D/W to wake people up to how vile TSL is.
Originally Posted by Matt K
Let me get this straight, I want to make sure I have your argument right.
It is okay if Scott Hamilton, the Shibs, Meryl and Charlie, and Virtue and Moir, Evan Lysaceck, Gracie Gold, Agnes Z, and countless others at media summits turn a blind eye toward possible mistreatment of their fellow gay athletes at the Sochi Games.
It is NOT okay if David Lease and Jenny Kirk express their negative opinion about that on their blog.
That I agree with. If I had a legitimate shot at winning OGM in Sochi, I'd avoid the summit like the plague. Why did they go? Was it mandatory?
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion