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    My stupid question:

    I'm a left handed that jumps to the left, but I am unable to try a lutz/flip because I lose balance. Should I try to jump to the right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatedreamer View Post
    Ahaaaaa... one more item for the "Obsessed w/ Figure Skating" thread?
    Pretty much, yes....

    *hides face*

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    Quote Originally Posted by breathesgelatin View Post
    Pretty much, yes....


    *hides face*
    nah, just messin' w/ your head!

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    Thanks I've been on the fan thread before, which I love as a fan, but v difficult to navigate if looking for something specific, I'm hoping for a more technical/expert critique of the programme. Will check out the second thread though!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-Skwantch View Post
    Try this thread....

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...939#post955939

    ^Its his fan page and people love discussing him there. Join in on the fun.

    Or

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...-by-Discipline

    ^ It's a thread that is designed to discuss new programs but for all skaters

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    I would post your questions somewhere and ask for the specific input. People here are pretty quick to give an opinion when asked.

    You could always start a thread and attach the link to the video and ask for opinions. Good Luck!!

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    New stupid question, re U.S. Figure Skating and Lukas Kaugars:

    Kaugars has competed in U.S. Figure Skating events for years.

    But I just noticed that he also was the top-ranked (and only) man at Latvia's Nationals, according to this new ISU Communication.

    So USFS permits him to belong to another federation as well???

    karne -- maybe you can shed light??

    ETA, completely off topic, but file under: Strong bonds between skater and coach.
    Today Kaugars is best man at the wedding of his coach Damon Allen.
    https://twitter.com/Lukas_on_ice/sta...55952178761730

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    I don't know about Kaugars' particular case, but sometimes countries with a shortage of skaters in one discipline or anothet will have skaters from other countries competing at their nationals.

    US skaters Shantel Jordan and Jeremy Barrett ended up French pairs champions this way.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerem...r)#With_Jordan

    The team was unable to compete as either seniors or juniors that year internationally, so their coach arranged for them to compete at French Nationals.

    BTW, I believe Kaugars is ethnically Latvian. His twitter says so.
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...70138588,d.aWw

    OTOH, he may have decided to try to compete for Latvia.
    http://lukaskaugars.com/More_About_Lukas.html

    Lukas' Latvian Heritage is very important to him. He participated in Garezers Latvian youth programs as a youngster, has visited Latvia and strives to keep up the language at home
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    Quite often skaters with dual citizenship start out competing for one country and change to competing for another.
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    I have a stupid question.

    I have always chosen to use the spelling of a skater's name as it is given in their ISU biography. I have done this believing that the bio is updated by either the skater or their coach, and they should be the ultimate authority on how the skater would like to see their name written. And yet you will see people insisting a girl listed in her bio as Julia Lipnitskaia should have her name written Yulia. Shouldn't the girl get to choose how she wants her name transliterated from Cyrillic? Or should some standard be applied?

    Her bio with Julia
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013146.htm

    The Sochi2014 site, using Yulia
    http://www.sochi2014.com/en/athlete-julia-lipnitskaia


    Recently, Ice Network has chosen to write the name given in the ISU bio as Tuktamysheva as Tuktimysheva.
    Her bio
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00010705.htm
    The IN article
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...-previous-form

    Do any of you know if the ISU changes information in the skater's bios from what is input by the skater or coach? They certainly don't fix input errors in listing music, including egregious misspellings, so I have always assumed the bios exist as the skaters or their coaches wrote them, but is this true?

    And what convention would you prefer on tranliteration from other alphabets? ISU or some other authority?
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    Slavic names are hard to translate/transliterate correctly sometimes. And sometimes there's more than one correct translation/transliteration.
    'Юлия' should be transliterated as 'Yulia'. At least that's what russian-speaking fans will tell you

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    Yes, but that is not how team Lipnitskaia submitted her bio to the ISU, and so it is not how her name is spelled on Results files and so forth.

    This gets to the heart of my stupid question, exactly. Who should determine the translieration of someone's name?

    If no transliteration is involved, we are quite happy to let John Weir be Johnny, Kimberley Meissner be Kimmie, Maxwell Aaron be Max, and let Val Joe Galindo list his name as Rudi Galindo when he was in a pair team with Kristi Yamaguchi, and then be Rudy Galindo when he skated single.

    Should we let Lipnitskaia be Julia if that's what she wants to be? And if that is not what she wants to be, why hadn't she changed her bio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I have a stupid question.

    I have always chosen to use the spelling of a skater's name as it is given in their ISU biography. I have done this believing that the bio is updated by either the skater or their coach, and they should be the ultimate authority on how the skater would like to see their name written. And yet you will see people insisting a girl listed in her bio as Julia Lipnitskaia should have her name written Yulia. Shouldn't the girl get to choose how she wants her name transliterated from Cyrillic? Or should some standard be applied?

    Her bio with Julia
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00013146.htm

    The Sochi2014 site, using Yulia
    http://www.sochi2014.com/en/athlete-julia-lipnitskaia


    Recently, Ice Network has chosen to write the name given in the ISU bio as Tuktamysheva as Tuktimysheva.
    Her bio
    http://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00010705.htm
    The IN article
    http://web.icenetwork.com/news/2014/...-previous-form

    Do any of you know if the ISU changes information in the skater's bios from what is input by the skater or coach? They certainly don't fix input errors in listing music, including egregious misspellings, so I have always assumed the bios exist as the skaters or their coaches wrote them, but is this true?

    And what convention would you prefer on tranliteration from other alphabets? ISU or some other authority?
    Oh, this is a minefield! I tend to just go with whatever spelling the ISU is using. Hence why I am still using "Julia" when referring to young Lipnitskaya.

    As for Liza, when she first came on the scene, the ISU spelt her surname "Tuktamisheva". It was during the summer of 2012 that the ISU changed to spelling it "Tuktamysheva".

    Here is an archive of Liza's ISU Bio from December 2011. ("Tuktamisheva")

    Here is an archive of Liza's ISU Bio from August 2012. ("Tuktamysheva")

    If you check YouTube videos, you will also see the difference in the graphics.

    So, I suppose Ice Network just continued spelling Liza's surname with an "i" and never bothered changing to the "new" way of spelling it with a "y".

    CaroLiza_fan

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    Yes, it's a minefield. But the mods are responsible for headlines/thread titles having correctly spelled names, so I thought, when I saw IN's recent title, wotevershallIdo?? And I decided to get by with a little help from my friends in the stupid questions thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Yes, but that is not how team Lipnitskaia submitted her bio to the ISU, and so it is not how her name is spelled on Results files and so forth.

    Should we let Lipnitskaia be Julia if that's what she wants to be? And if that is not what she wants to be, why hadn't she changed her bio?
    Maybe someone on her team had the thought to put a version of her name for easy enunciation by commentators? Or they take the approach that it's close enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    I don't know about Kaugars' particular case, but sometimes countries with a shortage of skaters in one discipline or anothet will have skaters from other countries competing at their nationals.

    US skaters Shantel Jordan and Jeremy Barrett ended up French pairs champions this way.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerem...r)#With_Jordan

    The team was unable to compete as either seniors or juniors that year internationally, so their coach arranged for them to compete at French Nationals.

    BTW, I believe Kaugars is ethnically Latvian. His twitter says so.
    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...70138588,d.aWw

    OTOH, he may have decided to try to compete for Latvia.
    http://lukaskaugars.com/More_About_Lukas.html

    .

    Quite often skaters with dual citizenship start out competing for one country and change to competing for another.
    Thanks, Doris. Your example re Barrett and his partner as guest skaters at French Nats is illuminating.
    My guess therefore is that Kaugars similarly was just a guest at Latvia's Nats.

    Although I knew that Kaugars makes proud references all the time to his family's Latvian roots, my sixth sense (FWIW, LOL) about him was/is that he is not one who would sever ties with USFS in order to skate for another country. (I am not criticizing others who have done so, but I would be surprised if Kaugars made such a decision.)
    As recently as the 2014 Broadmoor Open a week or so ago, the results sheet listed Broadmoor Skating Club as the affiliation for Kaugars (who WD). [Meanwhile, another skater had the Philippines next to her name and someone else had Sweden (IIRC) next to his.] IIRC, the Vail roster also lists BSC for Kaugars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    ...The Sochi2014 site, using Yulia
    http://www.sochi2014.com/en/athlete-julia-lipnitskaia ...
    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
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    Should we let Lipnitskaia be Julia if that's what she wants to be? And if that is not what she wants to be, why hadn't she changed her bio?
    As for the minefield regarding Slavic names, I agree that ideally each skater should determine the official transliteration of her/his name. But I have no idea whether the ISU imposes its own preferred transliterations or not.

    In the case of Julia/Yulia, it is not clear which spelling she really wants others to use. What seems to be her own VK page uses "Yulia" (ETA, "Yulia Lipnitskaya"), contrary to her ISU bio.
    The VK link above is cited on her official Sochi bio page. And the VK page has a check mark next to her name. Does the check mark indicate a verified account (as it would for a verified account on Twitter)?

    Yet another example of the no-win madness is that part of the Sochi URL is "julia-lipnitskaia" -- whereas the Sochi page at that URL uses the spelling of "Yulia Lipnitskaya."

    ETA, more madness:
    The hybrid combo spelling of "lipnitskaya-julia" is part of the URL on the Russian fed's bio page for Yulia/Julia:
    http://www.fsrussia.ru/biografiya/48...ль

    Not an answer to the ISU/transliteration question, but it would appear that Renee Felton has discretion over what appears in the U.S. Figure Skating bios. Just within the last couple of days, Richard Dornbush and Angela Wang were joking via Twitter about pranking Renee by submitting absurd answers to the USFS bio questions. USFS (presumably Renee or an associate) joked back with a "threat" that their ridiculous answers would be published verbatim. My interpretation (only my interpretation) of the tweets is that the skaters must have reason to believe that no matter what they write, Renee will not be shy to exercise her authority to change the USFS bios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Yes, but that is not how team Lipnitskaia submitted her bio to the ISU, and so it is not how her name is spelled on Results files and so forth.
    But that's how she spells her name verbally. She says 'Юлия', not 'Джулия'. And it's a main indicator for me.

    Fun fact: my name is Сергей. And I have two different variants of transliteration on the face of my credit card (Sergey) and in my passport (Sergei). And I had a very unpleasant time explaining some clerk in Barcelona airport that it's the same name! She just said that she can't charge my card because I can't prove her that I'm the owner of the card! It was an awful experience. Thank God my friends had some cash for me So it's a very hard question.

    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    As for the minefield regarding Slavic names, I agree that ideally each skater should determine the official transliteration of her/his name. But I have no idea whether the ISU imposes its own preferred transliterations or not.

    In the case of Julia/Yulia, it is not clear which spelling she really wants others to use. What seems to be her own VK page uses "Yulia," contrary to her ISU bio.
    The VK link above is cited on her official Sochi bio page. And the VK page has a check mark next to her name. Does the check mark indicate a verified account (as it would for a verified account on Twitter)?
    Yes, it does.

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