Random Figure Skating Questions
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Vanshilar, good luck w/ your dissertation! Of course that has to be your priority. If you ever feel like coming back to the jump analysis, though, you might start a thread in the "Reference" forum. I think a lot of GS members would be very interested.
Again, all the very best to you.
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I wonder... maybe he was joking. Rohene and competition don't go along well in my book. Poor him, such a talent but...
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He was going to do the 2013-2014 Olympic season, but AFAIK, the only competition he did was Senior Jumps at the 2013 Broadmoor Open where he placed third.
Results from Sylvia at Unseen Skaters
http://unseenskaters.wordpress.com/2013/06/
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1. I was looking at the protocols from 2012 Canadian Nationals (how nerdy of me 
) and came across something strange. The first element in Patrick Chan's FS is listed as 4T+2T+C. What on earth does the C refer to? Patrick's 2012 Worlds FS has no C but instead has the normal 4T+3T designation. Other skaters at Canadian Nationals also have Cs attached to some elements. Did Skate Canada decide to award extra bonus points at Nationals or something? Here's the protocols.
2. In Patrick Chan's 2010 Olympics Ex, I think he starts off doing compulsory figures and then does a wally. Is that correct? (See the first 40 seconds of this video). What I love about this is that he is paying homage to Mr. Colson by starting Yesterday with the basics of skating that he learned from him.
) and came across something strange. The first element in Patrick Chan's FS is listed as 4T+2T+C. What on earth does the C refer to? Patrick's 2012 Worlds FS has no C but instead has the normal 4T+3T designation. Other skaters at Canadian Nationals also have Cs attached to some elements. Did Skate Canada decide to award extra bonus points at Nationals or something? Here's the protocols. 2. In Patrick Chan's 2010 Olympics Ex, I think he starts off doing compulsory figures and then does a wally. Is that correct? (See the first 40 seconds of this video). What I love about this is that he is paying homage to Mr. Colson by starting Yesterday with the basics of skating that he learned from him.
1. I was looking at the protocols from 2012 Canadian Nationals (how nerdy of me
It appears as if the computer system at Canada's nationals tacked on the C's at the end of every jump combo. They also have +S for jump sequences.
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He does start with figures but he actually does a double toe, not a wally.
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Good vid but I would like an input from someone here who skates......his explaination of spinning may be true, but when you watch Lucinda Ruh, it looks quite different...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ikxi6Zx4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_Ikxi6Zx4A
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Why is a flutz not scored as a flip?
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I think the official explanation is that a Lutz jump is defined by more than just the outside edge takeoff. In shortcut abbreviations people usually list: outside edge, Lutz; inside edge, flip; as if that is all there is to it.
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It's because her spin is so much more centered, she makes much smaller circles so it looks more like she's actually turning on one point.
Most flutzes I see are more like rough edges, not quite a flip, also the skater tends to hold the outside edge then switch at the take off so they still have the counter rotation
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Oh ok thanks. Without the running landing edge I assumed it was a different jump. Here's another performance where the double toe doesn't have a running landing edge. At 2008 Canadian Nationals, he did a double loop instead, with more flow on the landing.
Gosh, it's nice to see a current skater who can still do figures.
I would imagine it's not commonly taught anymore. Am I right?
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Ok thanks for the explanation. It makes sense, although I don't know why the computer system would do that. The + between the jumps is sufficient in my book. Now I know why I couldn't find anything about a +C designation elsewhere on the internet.
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So....is it Wally or Walley? Most people spell it Wally but most online sources spell it Walley.
Speaking of Wall(e)y jumps...
https://recordsetter.com/world-record/Consecutive-Wallies-Ice-Skates/3344
I get tired just watching.
Speaking of Wall(e)y jumps...
https://recordsetter.com/world-record/Consecutive-Wallies-Ice-Skates/3344
I get tired just watching.
Well, what he's doing are not really "compulsory" or "school" figures since he's combining different skills on the same circle and not repeating patterns on both feet let alone retracing them, so the patterns don't match what would have been done in figures competition.
But they are demonstrations of figures-type skills.
Very few rinks/clubs offer patch ice any more, so it would be hard to train school figures to the kind of exacting standards that were expected when they were part of competition.
Some older coaches may teach the technique for various turns on full figures-sized circles before incorporating those turns into the less-exacting patterns needed for the current tests (Moves in the Field in the US, Skating Skills in Canada) or IJS step sequences.
But they are demonstrations of figures-type skills.
Very few rinks/clubs offer patch ice any more, so it would be hard to train school figures to the kind of exacting standards that were expected when they were part of competition.
Some older coaches may teach the technique for various turns on full figures-sized circles before incorporating those turns into the less-exacting patterns needed for the current tests (Moves in the Field in the US, Skating Skills in Canada) or IJS step sequences.
Was named after American skater Nate Walley, so it is "walley". It is sometimes was called the Pat Low jump (in Britain), as some believe he invented the jump. Believe that skater was from Scotland. It is not considered a jump in judging, but a transitional movement.
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An article from 1938 about Nathan Walley:
http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper ... NY Gazette 1938 mar-Apr Grayscale - 0176.pdf
http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper ... NY Gazette 1938 mar-Apr Grayscale - 0176.pdf
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