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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    dumb question but what thread or where can I find the team rosters which I believe have been announced by now. 1:12 EST
    In the Official results page thread, AlexRus posted the links to the official rosters for team Men's SP and team Pairs SP.

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    Question 2:
    Why do most pairs and ice dance couples not perform their lifts during practices at skating competitions?
    I'm no expert, but my (two-part) answer would be:

    - I think the premise of your question is false. Some pairs and dancers do perform some of their lifts during practices at competitions, AFAIK.

    - I would add that some singles skaters do not perform all of their jumps in practices at competitions. No different, IMO, than pairs and dancers not practicing every single element.

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    Alrighty, I've got the ultimate stupid question. Do the skaters (or other athletes) choose their own room mates for their time in the village, or is this an assigned thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskates View Post
    Alrighty, I've got the ultimate stupid question. Do the skaters (or other athletes) choose their own room mates for their time in the village, or is this an assigned thing?
    Good question, about which I too have wondered.
    I imagine that the answer varies from country to country and from athlete to athlete, but a few anecdotal memories from Vancouver indicate that at least some do choose their own roommates:

    - At the time of the Vancouver Games, Charlie White and Evan Bates were roommates at home in Michigan (along with Alex Shibutani and another skater).
    White and Bates were roommates also in Vancouver. Doubt that was a coincidence of assignment by USFS ... assume that they chose each other.
    [BTW, very cool that the three former roommates in Michigan -- White, Bates, Shib -- are the three male ice dancers for Team USA in Sochi.]

    - Tanith Belbin and Johnny Weir were (platonic, presumably ) roommates in Vancouver. Based on comments that they made at the time, I'm sure that they chose each other.

    - In Vancouver, Patrick Chan shared a bedroom with Bryce Davison, and they shared a suite with Scott Moir and V. Chipeur (sp?).
    In Patrick's YouTube video tour of their suite, he made an offhand remark to the effect that he always roomed with Bryce. Again, I assume that was no coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post

    I'm no expert, but my (two-part) answer would be:

    - I think the premise of your question is false. Some pairs and dancers do perform some of their lifts during practices at competitions, AFAIK.

    - I would add that some singles skaters do not perform all of their jumps in practices at competitions. No different, IMO, than pairs and dancers not practicing every single element.
    I appreciate your response. It just seems to me that in most practice vids I've seen of pairs or dance teams, they don't perform their lifts. I've always thought that it was to either avoid injury (which I know is silly, because skaters get injured on other elements all the time) or, to avoid other teams from stealing and using their lifts in their programs, or a combination of both. I seem to recall a story someone posted on a skating forum a long time ago where one ladies skater (I don't recall the name) "copied" another skater's hand movements I believe, and during the competition, the skater being copied skated right after the copier. To the judges, it seemed as though the skater being copied was the copier, but really, it was the other way around if that makes any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilshorty View Post
    I appreciate your response. It just seems to me that in most practice vids I've seen of pairs or dance teams, they don't perform their lifts. I've always thought that it was to either avoid injury (which I know is silly, because skaters get injured on other elements all the time) or, to avoid other teams from stealing and using their lifts in their programs, or a combination of both. I seem to recall a story someone posted on a skating forum a long time ago where one ladies skater (I don't recall the name) "copied" another skater's hand movements I believe, and during the competition, the skater being copied skated right after the copier. To the judges, it seemed as though the skater being copied was the copier, but really, it was the other way around if that makes any sense.
    I hope that others who have more knowledge than me (wouldn't take much, LOL) will respond to your question too.

    For what they are worth, two more cents from me:
    I should have left out pairs (about whom I know little), but I could swear that I have seen dancers practice lifts.
    And the sequence of events in your example of a copycat issue is clear to me ... but doesn't the same issue (re a certain gesture, for example) exist for all elements and transitions, not just lifts? Plus in this day and age of online video, once a program has been performed at a previous competition, a rival doesn't have to wait until a practice session to "steal" something ... unless a skater is adding new gestures every single time a program is competed.

    Am interested to know what others think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    Good question, about which I too have wondered.
    I imagine that the answer varies from country to country and from athlete to athlete, but a few anecdotal memories from Vancouver indicate that at least some do choose their own roommates:

    - At the time of the Vancouver Games, Charlie White and Evan Bates were roommates at home in Michigan (along with Alex Shibutani and another skater).
    White and Bates also were roommates in Vancouver. Doubt that was a coincidence of assignment by USFS ... assume that they chose each other.
    [BTW, very cool that the three former roommates in Michigan -- White, Bates, Shib -- are the three male ice dancers for Team USA in Sochi.]

    - Tanith Belbin and Johnny Weir were (platonic, presumably ) roommates in Vancouver. Based on comments that they made at the time, I'm sure that they chose each other.

    - In Vancouver, Patrick Chan shared a bedroom with Bryce Davison, and a suite with Scott Moir and V. Chipeur (sp?).
    In Patrick's YouTube video tour of their suite, he made an offhand remark to the effect that he always roomed with Bryce. Again, I assume that was no coincidence.
    Thanks for the info! I would imagine it's probably best to keep roomies close in age, yet not in direct competition with each other. For example a Meryl/Marissa combo or Gracie/Felecia combo would work out well. Same thing goes for the gents, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskates View Post
    Thanks for the info! I would imagine it's probably best to keep roomies close in age, yet not in direct competition with each other. For example a Meryl/Marissa combo or Gracie/Felecia combo would work out well. Same thing goes for the gents, of course.
    Again, I hope that others who have insight/information will contribute what they know.

    Sheer speculation:
    I seem to recall that Ashley and Marissa have roomed together on at least one occasion -- whether by assignment or by choice, I do not know. But they seemed to be a happy duo, according to their chummy tweets and photos at the time referring to themselves as "roomies." So who knows, maybe they are repeating.
    Maia and Gracie have called each other "besties" in the past, so maybe they have chosen each other. They have had plenty of previous "buddy" time together touring in Japan and training in Canton, for example -- not to mention whatever competitions they have had in common, plus Champs Camp, etc.

    I do think the roommate question is interesting, esp. for someone who has not had a chance for previous bonding with anyone at the same event -- and thus is simply assigned to a roommate. One hopes that all the athletes are basically pleasant human beings and would be reasonably considerate and compatible roommates, but the reality is that some random pairs of people are going to be more harmonious than others.
    Would hate for any roommate issues to crop up that could distract an athlete from her/his focus on competing at her/his best -- and from enjoying the entire Olympic experience.

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    I just added a few skaters to my twitter (which is normally used to track food trucks, haha!). Seems that Ashley and Marissa are chummy, and Maia posted a pic of her, Felicia and Gracie, all smiles to be reunited.
    But I agree, Golden411, a bad roomie situation could really throw someone off, so I hope they are all comfortable!

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    At Vancouver Johnny and tanith picked each other. Johnny got there early and put up some posters, flowers and made the place smell sweet and pretty according to Tanith. I know there were some concerns if Johnny roomed with Evan L as they were snipping at each other.

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    Hmm I wonder about the pro hockey players do they stay in the "dorms" too or do they spend some of their millions on a luxury hotel - mind you there are security issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertskates View Post
    I just added a few skaters to my twitter (which is normally used to track food trucks, haha!). Seems that Ashley and Marissa are chummy, and Maia posted a pic of her, Felicia and Gracie, all smiles to be reunited.
    But I agree, Golden411, a bad roomie situation could really throw someone off, so I hope they are all comfortable!
    I guess the glass-is-half-full way of looking at things is that many lifelong friendships probably have been born between athletes who originally were just arbitrarily assigned to room together for a matter of days.

    ETA, based on Kaitlyn Weaver's tweet/photo, I wonder whether her Sochi roommate is Tessa? I can't think of any other "T" (female or male skater) on Team Canada? And they are old friends.

    (Off topic: agree that Twitter was "made" for food trucks ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Hmm I wonder about the pro hockey players do they stay in the "dorms" too or do they spend some of their millions on a luxury hotel - mind you there are security issues.
    I understand the point that you are trying to make, but seems to me that security would be far better within the Olympic villages than at any fancy hotel in the Sochi region -- meaning that access to the Olympic villages surely is far more restricted.
    But IIRC, Olympic athletes are not allowed to bring their own personal bodyguards into the villages (even at the athletes' own expense). I suppose that some would consider that a justification for finding outside lodging.

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    The only case I remember of copied ladies' gestures was a competition back in the late '80s where Dick Button and Peggy concluded that Kadavy, Trenary, and some other lady from the Broadmoor camp must all have the same jazz dance coach because they were all using the same little jazz hands moves and booty shakes.

    Re copying in general: there are no points for whether you are the only one doing your lift or whether someone else uses it, so while it might be mildly annoying, it really has no effect on scores. I doubt skaters worry too much about this stuff; it's something uber-fans get worried about. Sometimes I have seen fans getting upset because 2 teams (their favorites and their rivals) are doing a similar lift. What they often fail to note is that 10 other teams are also doing the same lift, because it's one of the very common ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    The only case I remember of copied ladies' gestures was a competition back in the late '80s where Dick Button and Peggy concluded that Kadavy, Trenary, and some other lady from the Broadmoor camp must all have the same jazz dance coach because they were all using the same little jazz hands moves and booty shakes.

    Re copying in general: there are no points for whether you are the only one doing your lift or whether someone else uses it, so while it might be mildly annoying, it really has no effect on scores. I doubt skaters worry too much about this stuff; it's something uber-fans get worried about. Sometimes I have seen fans getting upset because 2 teams (their favorites and their rivals) are doing a similar lift. What they often fail to note is that 10 other teams are also doing the same lift, because it's one of the very common ones.
    Thanks for your response. I seem to remember that the coach of the skater copying/being copied was Carlo Fassi, so it may have been either Kadavy or Trenary...

    But I've always thought that the reason why teams rarely did their lifts in practice had more to do with risk of injury, or reinjuring themselves, which kind of makes a little sense. I just gave the copycat story as an example for why teams might be worried about other teams stealing their moves, but it probably isn't the case in most situations.

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    I'm sure I have seen pairs practicing lifts at competitions.

    But if they're going to leave out some of their moves during runthroughs at competition practice, to save energy, I can understand why lifts would be likely candidates to leave out, just for safety reasons. The chances for collision are higher with lifts than with most other pair moves, and the negative consequences could be much greater.

    Most teams do have to practice at home with other pairs on the ice. But at least they would be more likely to know each other's programs and to give way to the skater doing a runthrough. At competitions they'll more likely be focused on what they're doing themselves, to maximize the use of limited ice time.

    At competitions, 4 pairs is generally the maximum on the ice per session. Do any training centers tend to allow more than that 4 high-level teams at once?

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    Two new dumb questions for the experts:

    1) At the 88 Olympics, all the skaters had to include a double loop in the short program's jump combination? Why? What was so special about the loop? And was that a common rule to require specific jumps in combinations?

    2) I remember the technical mark was the tiebreaker for the long program in 88, allowing Boitano to win. But at every Olympics since then in the 6.0 era, the artistic mark was the tiebreaker, enabling Baiul's win. Was that change heavily discussed at the time? It seems like such a significant change with huge ramifications. I wonder what rationales were used by the officials.

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