The tone of this thread going forward will depend on how Patrick skates in the Grand Prix. If he skates well this season, all this griping won't be as much of an issue. On the other hand, if he has a season like last season, well, we all know how GS exploded after Worlds. I'm excited to see how everything plays out. Besides the skating, a lot depends on the judges and what scores they give out, and this is something that is out of the skaters' control.
Patrick at his best is incredible with his amazing skating skills and effortless quads. No other modern singles skater I have seen comes anywhere close--male or female. However, I don't think he will won Gold. His lack of an experienced coach, especially one who was instrumental to his success (Krall), I fear, is affecting him and will snowball with the pressure of the Olympics. I HOPE I am wrong. I have many other sentimental favourites, but when it comes to the pure skating aspect, no one mesmerizes me with their blades like he does.
No, the griping won't stop. I have learnt from skating forums that whinging, howling, feet stomping, biitching, conspiracy theories are all very closely associated with this sport (unfortunately) Who knows who the next target will be when Patrick retires. Will see.Originally Posted by skatingfan4ever
A quote from a former elite skater: When you are up there, they will try to bring you down.
1. Patrick has a coach, who originally gave him the epiphany to land quads overnight, and he also consults with various experts and get inspirations from different champion athletes. He is always observing and seeking advice whenever he has a chance. E.g. He associates with Browning and Buttler, and the first time he met Stojko, he consulted him.
2. While "coachless", Patrick podiumed at every competition he entered and ending the season with another Worlds title with a world record. IOW, he was the most successful Men skater in the world during this "coachless" period even with more and more skaters raising their standards.
Krall was right for him at the time but whatever happened, everyone has moved on, with Patrick winning another World Championships the following season. Not to discredit her but Krall has not had a champion before or after Patrick, which means a skater's success is not entirely determined by the coach.
Facts are not personal opinions and judgements, such as who is not a coach and who should win a competition. Who here giving all the criticisms and advice is qualified to coach a World Champion? And knows more than Patrick and his team including his family and Skate Canada, about him and his training? Obviously online armchair coaches don't know what qualifies a coach or an adviser to a top athlete.
Oh, come on, there is no chance this man won't win the gold medal. I'm with pangtongfan. He's got a fall cushion like nobody else I've ever seen.
IF he falls/makes mistakes than once and still wins, and figure skating garnishes enough attention from the mainstream media and the casual fans get upset, I predict a new or revamped judging system. IF he skates clean, good for him, he'll deserve it.
Another interesting factoid is that Patrick Chan's PCS has really skyrocketed under Kathy Johnson's influence. His PCS have become not only higher but they are also somewhat consistent across competitions, whether it's good skate or bad. That's actually quite a bit more valuable to a skater strategically given how variable TES can be.
As far as Chan's jumps are concerned, they are fine. The quality of his jumps have not significantly changed over the past few years, he still get very good GOE when he lands them. As for errors, men's skating seems to be going through a period where we are seeing more and more mistakes, likely due to increased risk taking. Some of it seem to be psychological. In any event, it is unlikely that any "technical coach" can do much about this.
Finally, skaters will assemble a team that they feel most comfortable with. Kathy Johnson being Patrick Chan's girlfriend's mother may seem like an awkward or uncomfortable choice for some - just imagine how some people cringe when the word "mother-in-law" is mentioned. The fact is, everyone is different. Some skaters are coached by parents or siblings and some others want nothing but completely unrelated people on their coaching team. Hard to say there is one formula that works for everyone.
There are benefits to surround yourself with independent advisors as well as having people who are emotionally invested in you. When you look at Hanyu, who sacrificed his comfortable entourage in Japan to move to Canada to live and train with 2 respected independent advisors - not sure it's working out for him. Many people have remarked that he seemed to have regressed so far compared to last season - a somewhat shocking development considering at his young age, he should progress not regress. Midori Ito's coach, Machiko Yamada, was practically her 2nd mother. Ito lived with her coach & family since she was a child. After she started to show incredible talent, many U.S. coaches have invited her to go train in the U.S., something she knew was not going to happen. I can't imagine Ito doing well leaving her comfortable entourage and go to the U.S. Asada tried to train with foreign coaches abroad, it really didn't work well for her and being homesick is cited as an issue.
It seems to me, if some people are keen to find fault with Patrick Chan, there is really no lack of excuse in order to camouflage from the hater label.
It would help to get the correct information first. ISU reported that Chan has a coach and even listed her name and no, it's not just a name that the ISU took from the phone book and randomly put it there either.
So far this season Chan is fine. It's all the other guys that have to turn it up a notch.