Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 LastLast
Results 46 to 60 of 124

Thread: Can Patrick Chan cope with the pressure of Olympic favouritism?

  1. #46
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    3,798
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Yeah, the GP will play a huge role in his set-up to Sochi. That being said, you don't need to have a great GP season as long as you can get it together for Olympics/Worlds (see Denis Ten).
    If Dennis had a great GP season he might have been WC. It certainly would have helped improve his SP marks.

  2. #47
    “Our blade takes us in the most amazing places.” skatingfan4ever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    325
    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    No, the griping won't stop. I have learnt from skating forums that whinging, howling, feet stomping, biitching, conspiracy theories are all very closely associated with this sport (unfortunately) Who knows who the next target will be when Patrick retires. Will see.

    A quote from a former elite skater: When you are up there, they will try to bring you down.
    Sad but true. It happens in every sport, not just in figure skating. Which former elite skater said that (although they probably would all say that if you asked them)?

  3. #48
    “Our blade takes us in the most amazing places.” skatingfan4ever's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    United States
    Posts
    325
    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFiguring View Post
    Fact checking:

    1. Patrick has a coach, who originally gave him the epiphany to land quads overnight, and he also consults with various experts and get inspirations from different champion athletes. He is always observing and seeking advice whenever he has a chance. E.g. He associates with Browning and Buttler, and the first time he met Stojko, he consulted him.

    2. While "coachless", Patrick podiumed at every competition he entered and ending the season with another Worlds title with a world record. IOW, he was the most successful Men skater in the world during this "coachless" period even with more and more skaters raising their standards.

    Krall was right for him at the time but whatever happened, everyone has moved on, with Patrick winning another World Championships the following season. Not to discredit her but Krall has not had a champion before or after Patrick, which means a skater's success is not entirely determined by the coach.

    Facts are not personal opinions and judgements, such as who is not a coach and who should win a competition. Who here giving all the criticisms and advice is qualified to coach a World Champion? And knows more than Patrick and his team including his family and Skate Canada, about him and his training? Obviously online armchair coaches don't know what qualifies a coach or an adviser to a top athlete.
    YES!!! If fans want to get mad at anyone, they should get mad at the JUDGES, who are the ones responsible for giving out the scores. It's not Patrick's fault if he doesn't skate perfectly and yet still wins. He skates his programs and then the JUDGES place him where they will. He has been in the mix for six seasons now, and even though he has rarely been perfect, he's always done enough to stay in the mix. That is highly commendable.

    Quote Originally Posted by wallylutz View Post
    Ironically, Krall is at Skate Canada at the moment with her student, Joshua Farris who had the second to last TES in the SP by messing up several jumps. Can we then infer Josh Farris doesn't have a real coach because he is not landing those jumps?

    Another interesting factoid is that Patrick Chan's PCS has really skyrocketed under Kathy Johnson's influence. His PCS have become not only higher but they are also somewhat consistent across competitions, whether it's good skate or bad. That's actually quite a bit more valuable to a skater strategically given how variable TES can be.

    As far as Chan's jumps are concerned, they are fine. The quality of his jumps have not significantly changed over the past few years, he still get very good GOE when he lands them. As for errors, men's skating seems to be going through a period where we are seeing more and more mistakes, likely due to increased risk taking. Some of it seem to be psychological. In any event, it is unlikely that any "technical coach" can do much about this.

    Finally, skaters will assemble a team that they feel most comfortable with. Kathy Johnson being Patrick Chan's girlfriend's mother may seem like an awkward or uncomfortable choice for some - just imagine how some people cringe when the word "mother-in-law" is mentioned. The fact is, everyone is different. Some skaters are coached by parents or siblings and some others want nothing but completely unrelated people on their coaching team. Hard to say there is one formula that works for everyone.


    There are benefits to surround yourself with independent advisors as well as having people who are emotionally invested in you. When you look at Hanyu, who sacrificed his comfortable entourage in Japan to move to Canada to live and train with 2 respected independent advisors - not sure it's working out for him. Many people have remarked that he seemed to have regressed so far compared to last season - a somewhat shocking development considering at his young age, he should progress not regress. Midori Ito's coach, Machiko Yamada, was practically her 2nd mother. Ito lived with her coach & family since she was a child. After she started to show incredible talent, many U.S. coaches have invited her to go train in the U.S., something she knew was not going to happen. I can't imagine Ito doing well leaving her comfortable entourage and go to the U.S. Asada tried to train with foreign coaches abroad, it really didn't work well for her and being homesick is cited as an issue.

    It seems to me, if some people are keen to find fault with Patrick Chan, there is really no lack of excuse in order to camouflage from the hater label.
    Thank you, wallylutz, for that reasonable, well-thought-out post! I agree with everything you wrote!

  4. #49
    Custom Title Mathman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Detroit, Michigan
    Posts
    28,828
    I think it is more a matter of expecting more from the champion than from the rest of the field. We hold Patrick to a higher standard and nit-pick his bobbles because he is the torch bearer (perhaps literally so. come Sochi ).

  5. #50
    Custom Title spikydurian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    981
    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I think it is more a matter of expecting more from the champion than from the rest of the field. We hold Patrick to a higher standard and nit-pick his bobbles because he is the torch bearer (perhaps literally so. come Sochi ).
    Patrick has learnt from his Vancouver experience that when you try to meet expectations, you put unbearable pressure on yourself. Skate for yourself is his motto now. And I agree. Try pleasing everyone you end up pleasing no one.

  6. #51
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    183
    Quote Originally Posted by skatefancan View Post
    Michelle Kwan had no coach for a while. Such strong opnions about another person. Hopefully we all focus on our own lives just the same.

  7. #52
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,008
    Whew, so far so good. How many seasons had Patrick had no fall in first GP event this early season? I can't even recall. Even though he has doubled a few jumps, he will be better and better as season goes. Congratulations, Patrick!

  8. #53
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    1,001
    I am a new and impassioned fan of Patrick's. I truly think if he has a great performance in Sochi, he could turn the world back on to skating. He is so extraordinary. I saw his allure and appeal to non-skating fans today when the three "men" in my house fell in love with his skating.

    Have any of you seen this video about his team/training process? Excellent. But now he does not have Krall. Does he have Shipstead anymore?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKBUMs9kkk8

  9. #54
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    679
    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    I am a new and impassioned fan of Patrick's. I truly think if he has a great performance in Sochi, he could turn the world back on to skating. He is so extraordinary. I saw his allure and appeal to non-skating fans today when the three "men" in my house fell in love with his skating.

    Have any of you seen this video about his team/training process? Excellent. But now he does not have Krall. Does he have Shipstead anymore?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKBUMs9kkk8
    you are not alone, I was also completely, unprepared blew away by Patrick's SP when I watched him live in London.

    That been said, I do feel that tv or pc screen can not transport the magic of Patrick's skating quality properly. I also love to hear the sound of his blades while he is skating, so harmonious like music....

  10. #55
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    147
    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworthgirl View Post
    I am a new and impassioned fan of Patrick's. I truly think if he has a great performance in Sochi, he could turn the world back on to skating. He is so extraordinary.
    Delusional and ignorant. He can barely afford training despite being multiple world champions. Nobody outside the skating circule knows who Patrick is precisely because the constant overscoring/chaninflation.

  11. #56
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,008
    One thing is for sure, a lot of people will be furious if Chan wins the Olympic gold medal.

  12. #57
    Custom Title bekalc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    3,100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    One thing is for sure, a lot of people will be furious if Chan wins the Olympic gold medal.
    Not necessarily it depends on how he wins Olympic Gold. If he wins Olympic Gold like he won worlds last year, people will be furious, if he wins like he won his first world title, nobody will complain.
    e
    I don't dispute he's the best skater in the world. I just don't like seeing him win with sloppy programs. I think in the end, it doesn't encourage him to fix his issues.

  13. #58
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,008
    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    Not necessarily it depends on how he wins Olympic Gold. If he wins Olympic Gold like he won worlds last year, people will be furious, if he wins like he won his first world title, nobody will complain. e
    I don't dispute he's the best skater in the world. I just don't like seeing him win with sloppy programs. I think in the end, it doesn't encourage him to fix his issues.
    This is just not true. Many have been saying that Kozuka should have been the one who won the 2011 Worlds, not Chan.

  14. #59
    Custom Title bekalc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Posts
    3,100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    This is just not true. Many have been saying that Kozuka should have been the one who won the 2011 Worlds, not Chan.
    No people thought maybe Kozuka should have won the free. There's a difference. I thought maybe the PCS should have been closer, but nobody disputes Chan's win.

  15. #60
    Custom Title
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    3,008
    Quote Originally Posted by bekalc View Post
    No people thought maybe Kozuka should have won the free. There's a difference. I thought maybe the PCS should have been closer, but nobody disputes Chan's win.
    You are right. It was about LP.

Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •