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Thread: 2013 Warsaw Cup, Poland 14-17.11

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    Gubanova and Nikitina left everybody else in the dust in Novice Girls FS. Fantastic jump content from both. Nikitina will be very exciting to watch on the JGP next season. Between her, Kuchvalska and Vassiljevs, this is probably the best Latvian National Team, they have ever had!

    Iuferov was head and shoulders above everybody else in Novice Boys FS. All triples sans axel and a 3/3 attempt. Anybody knows how old he is?

    Junior Ladies FS won by Kizalaite with two 3lutzes. Her and Januleviciute are two best Lithuanian ladies ever, so exciting times for LTU as well. Very decent skate from German Dastich with 5 (easier 3T-3Lo) triples and two 2axels.

    Sondre Oddvoll Boe gave his best performance ever and skated a clean FS to win Junior Men. Krzysztof Gała landed a 3axel and fully rotated a 4toe (but fell) to place second. He's a very promising Junior. Sadly he totally lacks the PCS aspects.

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    Iuferov turned 12 in September

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleada View Post
    Iuferov turned 12 in September
    Thanks! Really impressive jump content for his age then.

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    I am catching up on some of the events now.

    Junior Men FS

    Sondre Oddvoll Boe FS
    He really gave it his 100%. All the jumps landed (although second 3toe was a little cheated), decent expression throughout. I hope he can build on this and make it to the FS at Junior Worlds this year.

    Now what I am wondering is what is the correct spelling of his surname. ISU biography has it as Oddvoll Boe but Warsaw Cup organisers have it as Oddervoll Boe.

    Krzystof Gała FS

    3axel/2toe and a fall on a fully rotated 4toe! We haven't ever seen this kind of technical content from a Polish skater! I really wish he could develop more confidence and projection and stop sleepwalking through his programs, though.

    Kamil Dymowski FS

    Last season, Dymowski has beaten Gała at Nationals. I don't think that it's going to happen again. This was such a wooden, sloppy performance in all aspects. To think this guy used to be a ballroom dancer and that presentation was his strong point... Very disappointing.

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    no update for Senior Pairs in results page ?
    want to see S/K

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    The results are up. No videos yet, though.

    Senior Ladies SP and half of Senior Men SP is up though.

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    Senior Ladies SP

    Recap of some of the more interesting performances.

    4. Isabelle Olsson SWE

    Her stewardess SP was awesome but this is booooring.

    6. Aleksandra Golovkina LTU

    I don't remember seeing her before but that was a solid 3loop and 2axel. Shame about the popped salchow. Skating and performance were a little sluggish but can't argue with the jumps. Between Kizalaite, her and Januleviciute, Lithuania has the best Ladies team in their history.

    7. Fleur Maxwell LUX

    Beautifully elegant as always, great spins but THIS.MUZAK. Bloody hell!

    I hope she continues skating for the next 243 years, outlasting Fumie Suguri.

    8. Inga Januleviciute LTU

    When her jumps fail, there really isn't anything else to hold her up. Her movements are really wooden and her posture is just shockingly bad.

    12. Elizaveta Ukolova CZE

    Well done on the jumps. Solid 3loop. 3lutz(no speed out)/2toe axel. 2axel (weak landing). Spins not bad although flying sit was slow. Czech Republic finally has a lady who can land the difficult jumps! Basics and expression need work, though.

    13. Agata Kryger POL

    SHE DID IT! 3toe/2toe, 3salchow, 2axel - all solid! (break after steps though). Improved spins (although biellmann barely eeked out). She needs more speed and expression but this was AWESOME for her ability. I am so happy for her. I really hope that PFSA sends her to Euros now.

    14. Colette Kaminski POL

    Sorry but we ordered Zawadzki. A late addition to the roster. She must have only just got the clearance to represent Poland. 2axel was solid but sadly triples nowhere near rotated.

    16. Anine Rabe NOR

    Whilst her jumps aren't very impressive and the program is typical generic GFB fare, she is an excellent spinner!

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    OMG, Agata Kryger won Senior Ladies!!!

    Maciej Cieplucha was spoon-fed a chance for a silver or even gold, sadly he blew it. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    12. Elizaveta Ukolova CZE

    Well done on the jumps. Solid 3loop. 3lutz(no speed out)/2toe axel. 2axel (weak landing). Spins not bad although flying sit was slow. Czech Republic finally has a lady who can land the difficult jumps! Basics and expression need work, though.

    Imported lady. Elizaveta is originally Russian.

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    She is originally Russian but calling her imported is ridiculous. She's lived in the Czech Republic since she was two!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassiem View Post
    She is originally Russian but calling her imported is ridiculous. She's lived in the Czech Republic since she was two!
    She may have lived in the Czech Republic, but the majority of her life she was a Russian Citizen. She only obtained Czech citizenship in 2012! 14 years of being Russian, against one year being Czech... That's in my view 'import'.

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    She's a homegrown Czech skater. She learned to skate in the Czech Republic, not Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cassiem View Post
    She's a homegrown Czech skater. She learned to skate in the Czech Republic, not Russia.
    I think what makes a Czech person Czech is not where you learn to skate, but what culture you accept, what country you are proud of etc. She may have been taught skating in the Czech republic, but I wouldn't go as far as saying 'homegrown' because her citizenship indicates where her 'home' was for her. So it wasn't for her 'homegrown', she was just a Russian girl living abroad.

    Russians occupied Czech republic for over twenty years (1968 - 1991). The Russians who lived on the Czech lands for 20 plus years did not become Czechs... Living somewhere does not make you automatically 'homegrown'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    I think what makes a Czech person Czech is not where you learn to skate, but what culture you accept, what country you are proud of etc. She may have been taught skating in the Czech republic, but I wouldn't go as far as saying 'homegrown' because her citizenship indicates where her 'home' was for her. So it wasn't for her 'homegrown', she was just a Russian girl living abroad.
    Calling her an 'imported' skater was still wrong because she's been living there since she was 2 years old and she was taught how to skate there by Czech coaches.

    As for everything else you have said, you have no right to make those judgements when you have no idea how the process went, what her considerations were and what she actually thinks and feels.

    You have to be a permanent resident for 10 years in order to apply for citizenship so it wasn't even an option until she was 12 (or maybe even later provided on how it was all handled by her parents when they moved there). Having first hand experience of Eastern European bureaucracy, it is very possible that the actual process itself is long, difficult and might take ages. Furthermore, in order to obtain Czech citizenship, she would have to renounce her Russian citizenship and that's not an easy decision to make.

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    We don't know why she didn't have Czech citizenship before. And I'm well aware of the history between the Czech Republic and Russia. Bad history between those countries, her citizenship, what her culture may be, etc., it's all irrelevant to this discussion. A homegrown athlete does not refer to where a person considers home but where they were trained. Elizaveta did not learn skating in Russia but in the CR therefore she's a homegrown Czech skater. Suggesting that she's an import is wrong because it subtly implies that the Czechs stole an athlete.

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