Short Dance: 2013 Skate Canada International

lmarie086 · Oct 25, 2013

Hubbell/Donohue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moMtoUXzleo

This is the first SD I've found thus far, I'll try to make sure I post others if/as I find them! Shame about that fall at the end - looked just like a freak thing. Lucky that it didn't happen on an element! They've only had a week since SA but I thought this performance was even stronger than what we saw a week ago. Hope the FD goes smoother for them, and I can't wait to see them at Nationals.

Now, off to find other videos

sky_fly20 · Oct 25, 2013

S/B SD
underscored especially in PCS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ax0R8MMfY&feature=player_embedded

and screwed over by their own federation, their programs have more mileage
lost another GP instead gave it to the similar height dancers M/K :disagree: who recent just scored a 52+ and beaten by P/C by more than 7 points at Cup of Nice

chuckm · Oct 25, 2013

blackswanphoto said:
D/W can actually do the elements though, unlike V/M. This is a sport and should be judged as one.

D/W got L4 on both Finnstep patterns and L4 on the twizzles. V/M's errors on the twizzles were by both Tessa and Scott and obvious even to the casual viewer.

blackswanphoto · Oct 25, 2013

NoNameFace said:
so Davis/White scored 75+ at Skate America...while Tessa and Scott 2 points lower

Should have been about 7 points lower. No way is that program 2 points inferior to D/W. They should not get those high levels off Canadian soil. The judges in Finlandia pretty much nailed it about right. The program is worth about 67. 68 if the tech caller is Canadian.

Ice Diva · Oct 25, 2013

blackswanphoto said:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmw8yx_scott-moir-falls-again-again-in-short-dance_shortfilms

Here's another one -- oh hang on -- it's Charlie White falling on his butt :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiS1PYmAtMc

blackswanphoto · Oct 25, 2013

Ice Diva said:
Here's another one -- oh hang on -- it's Charlie White falling on his butt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiS1PYmAtMc

Do you have a video of Tessa's greatest hits, with the missed twizzles?

NoNameFace · Oct 25, 2013

blackswanphoto said:
Should have been about 7 points lower. No way is that program 2 points inferior to D/W. They should not get those high levels off Canadian soil. The judges in Finlandia pretty much nailed it about right. The program is worth about 67. 68 if the tech caller is Canadian.

judging at Finlandia Trophy was generally rough for everyone, especially for finnstep patterns. Here, at SC Tessa & Scott did only one major error in tech side - in twizzles and one pattern was level 3, te rest was very good, especially step sequence which earned level 4 and +3 GOE. The range of PCS score for both teams are pretty the same, so I'm saying again - I don't see why Virtue/Moir should be scored 7 points lower...

aftertherain · Oct 25, 2013

NoNameFace said:
judging at Finlandia Trophy was generally rough for everyone, especially for finnstep patterns. Here, at SC Tessa & Scott did only one major error in tech side - in twizzles and one pattern was level 3, te rest was very good, especially step sequence which earned level 4 and +3 GOE. The range of PCS score for both teams are pretty the same, so I'm saying again - I don't see why Virtue/Moir should be scored 7 points lower...

I think at this level, if both teams are at their very best, you'd have to nitpick to judge. However, this outing was certainly not V/M's best. The twizzles were an obvious error, for sure. That aside, some of their other footwork wasn't as synchronized as it should have been (nitpicking).

But they definitely deserved first place. If we're going to call out the judging here at SC, might as well point out that there was massive inflation going on at SA too.

Moment · Oct 25, 2013

STOP MAKING MISTAKES ON THE TWIZZLES ARGH
asdf

aftertherain · Oct 25, 2013

V/M - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUDABTPW70

sweetskates1 · Oct 25, 2013

I wholeheartedly agree.

blackswanphoto said:
Should have been about 7 points lower. No way is that program 2 points inferior to D/W. They should not get those high levels off Canadian soil. The judges in Finlandia pretty much nailed it about right. The program is worth about 67. 68 if the tech caller is Canadian.

Moment · Oct 25, 2013

Crazy DW fanatics deluding themselves that DW have better skills :laugh:

sweetskates1 · Oct 25, 2013

You just took my thoughts and posted before I could! Thanks for posting this truth. C/L were much better than both V/M and W/P. Let's rewatch the SD master class displayed at SA and then we will talk GF2445.

blackswanphoto said:
The score was way too high though.. no doubt. Even Weaver/Poje score was way high, even though they should have been leading. I know it is not a good idea to compare scores between competitions, but there is no way either of those performances deserved a score higher than Cappellini/Lanotte received last week. Outside of Canada, neither of those dances would have received higher than 66-68.

blackswanphoto · Oct 25, 2013

aftertherain said:
I think at this level, if both teams are at their very best, you'd have to nitpick to judge. However, this outing was certainly not V/M's best. The twizzles were an obvious error, for sure. That aside, some of their footwork wasn't as synchronized as it should have been (nitpicking).

But they definitely deserved first place. If we're going to call out the judging here at SC, might as well point out that there was massive inflation going on at SA too.

Skate America had inflated scores... but boy oh boy.. this is a whole other level of inflation. They tried to give V/M world record scores before they leave Canadian soil. At their nationals you will probably see a 80 for that short dance. It would not surprise me one bit if we see about a 114 for that simple/easy freedance here at Skate Canada.

sweetskates1 · Oct 25, 2013

D/W fly across the ice as they perfectly execute all elements - they earn all of their points.

Ice Diva said:
Could just as easily say the same about the home-flation at Skate America where D/W's generic, big yawn programs beat the lovely C/L programs.

blue_idealist · Oct 25, 2013

sky_fly20 said:
S/B SD
underscored especially in PCS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ax0R8MMfY&feature=player_embedded

and screwed over by their own federation, their programs have more mileage
lost another GP instead gave it to the similar height dancers M/K :disagree: who recent just scored a 52+ and beaten by P/C by more than 7 points at Cup of Nice

S/B were great!!

blackswanphoto · Oct 25, 2013

Moment said:
Crazy DW fanatics deluding themselves that DW have better skills

But what we say can be backed up with what is actually seen on the ice. Virtue/Moir has easy programs and still find a way to screw them up. They tried with Carmen to bring the difficulty, couldn't handle it. It was too hard for them. The only response we get from someone defending V/M is "Oh they have a body line", "Oh their legs match", "Oh Scott has a straight free-leg". SO WHAT!!!! This is a SPORT! If we want a ballerina call Svetlana Boginskaya to the skating.

sweetskates1 · Oct 25, 2013

D/W, imo, are much better technically than V/M. And it is painfully obvious to the naked eye that D/W are better in terms of speed and difficulty. I am not alone in my assessment and I find it highly offensive that you label me and others that feel like I do as "deluded fanatics".

Now, this is not about D/W or V/M. The discontent stems from the ridiculous and unjust scoring - again! Surprise!

Moment said:
Crazy DW fanatics deluding themselves that DW have better skills

SGrand · Oct 25, 2013

blackswanphoto said:
But what we say can be backed up with what is actually seen on the ice. Virtue/Moir has easy programs and still find a way to screw them up. They tried with Carmen to bring the difficulty, couldn't handle it. It was too hard for them. The only response we get from someone defending V/M is "Oh they have a body line", "Oh their legs match", "Oh Scott has a straight free-leg". SO WHAT!!!! This is a SPORT! If we want a ballerina call Svetlana Boginskaya to the skating.

Isn't Boginskaya a gymnast? Lol

blackswanphoto · Oct 25, 2013

SGrand said:
Isn't Boginskaya a gymnast? Lol

She sure is but her body line is a whole lot better than Tessa's

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