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Thread: Gracie Gold - a dark horse for the Olympics medal

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK
    I'll have to go back and look, but my recollection is that her PCS for this short program were in the 7's and low 8's. They didn't seem wildly inappropriate to the performance.

    It's not as though she were scoring in the 9's. I'm not sure your comments regarding inflation are on point here.
    And even if it's 'just' high 7's, that can still be too high (it's fine for SS, but CH and IN? No). Her In mark isn't even 0.5 off of Akikos. Sorry, for all the quality Gracie has in the TES department, she (and her choreography) leave a lot to be desired in other aspects.

    And again for the 'just high 7's'-part: we're talking about the ladies here. How often do they break 9's anyway? It happens with men, dance and pairs, true, but far more seldomly for the ladies. PCS of 30+ are actually pretty high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    And even if it's 'just' high 7's, that can still be too high (it's fine for SS, but CH and IN? No). Her In mark isn't even 0.5 off of Akikos. Sorry, for all the quality Gracie has in the TES department, she (and her choreography) leave a lot to be desired in other aspects.

    And again for the 'just high 7's'-part: we're talking about the ladies here. How often do they break 9's anyway? It happens with men, dance and pairs, true, but far more seldomly for the ladies. PCS of 30+ are actually pretty high.
    Not often, but Mao, Carolina and Yuna have received 9's on their better days.

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    She will have to beat Julia Lipnitskaia and Akiki Suzuki first! I'm not expecting much of Gracie if she makes the Olympic team. She doesn't skate well under pressure. She comes undone and makes many mistakes, like she did in her subpar long program at Skate Canada.

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    On the good note, Gracie's PCS with all her mistakes is really great! It means the judges love her and appreciate her skating, If only she was more consistent =( But that's just the start of the season! She is still better than Adelina, Liza and so on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    She will have to beat Julia Lipnitskaia and Akiki Suzuki first! I'm not expecting much of Gracie if she makes the Olympic team. She doesn't skate well under pressure. She comes undone and makes many mistakes, like she did in her subpar long program at Skate Canada.
    Sadly Gracie skates like Mirai used to whenever she had a lead. You knew she wasn't going to seal the deal and usually gave it up. Until Gracie shows that she can hold a lead i'll keep feeling this way. Bad programs or not if she had skated clean she still would have won. She let a big one slip away.

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    Please...this is her FIRST go with FrankC at the boards. They've worked together, what, 5 weeks? Whatever they settled in for in the SP they need to find in the LP and she will lock it in.

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    But as we've seen in years past some skaters are just not tough under pressure and others like Lipnitskaia are like a rock. And that can't be taught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Sadly Gracie skates like Mirai used to whenever she had a lead. You knew she wasn't going to seal the deal and usually gave it up. Until Gracie shows that she can hold a lead i'll keep feeling this way. Bad programs or not if she had skated clean she still would have won. She let a big one slip away.
    I have been saying for a while that she doesn't have the mental fortitude to be a winner. It's something innate in a person. Julia Lipnitskaia has it. Yuna Kim has it. But Gracie doesn't have it. You can see that she doubts herself and overthinks everything while she skates instead of letting her muscle memory take over. She cannot hold it together under pressure. So far this season, she has been in first place after the SP in both of her competitions, and had two hot mess free skates to give the lead away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    I have been saying for a while that she doesn't have the mental fortitude to be a winner. It's something innate in a person. Julia Lipnitskaia has it. Yuna Kim has it. But Gracie doesn't have it. You can see that she doubts herself and overthinks everything while she skates instead of letting her muscle memory take over. She cannot hold it together under pressure. So far this season, she has been in first place after the SP in both of her competitions, and had two hot mess free skates to give the lead away.
    I still wouldn't give up on her though. Kostner was as big a headache as they come and yet she finally figured out how to compete. It might take Gracie time to learn.

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    I was actually really impressed with Gracie today. Yeah, she had some jumping mishaps. But she was really performing out there through the end of the program. I remembered her being more blank-faced and and non-energetic from previous performances. And even despite the mistakes she looked so happy at the end of the program. Based on purely this program she doesn't seem very in her head to me at all. It's still early in the season and the coaching change is relatively new.

    I'm not saying she's destined to be the next Yuna Kim or anything, but I wouldn't put her in the Sasha Cohen / Alissa Czisny head-case catagory yet either. I think she has the potential to be like Ashley and develop some rock-solid confidence and consistency in a season or so. And her foundational skills are much better than Ashley's, so watch out if that does happen. I'm excited to see her grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydreamer View Post
    I was actually really impressed with Gracie today. Yeah, she had some jumping mishaps. But she was really performing out there through the end of the program. I remembered her being more blank-faced and and non-energetic from previous performances. And even despite the mistakes she looked so happy at the end of the program. Based on purely this program she doesn't seem very in her head to me at all. It's still early in the season and the coaching change is relatively new.

    I'm not saying she's destined to be the next Yuna Kim or anything, but I wouldn't put her in the Sasha Cohen / Alissa Czisny head-case catagory yet either. I think she has the potential to be like Ashley and develop some rock-solid confidence and consistency in a season or so. And her foundational skills are much better than Ashley's, so watch out if that does happen. I'm excited to see her grow.
    True Gracie i think is already as good if not a better skater then Wagner was at this age and has more potential. Even with the lack of depth in 2010 Ashley still didn't make the Olympic team.

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    Anyone remember Carolina Kostner at Los Angeles World's (2009)? And she had loads of competitions behind her. She has always been a terrific skater, but she has just begun to conquer her nerves on a consistent basis in the last couple of years. One of the very best! Are we going to give Gracie growing room? She's got the talent, let's give her some time to develop!

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    "I'm looking forward to putting out a better performance at NHK and at nationals,"
    Gracie doesn't think she can make the Grand Prix Final. No 4CC too. Olympics going to be first big competitions of the year for her.

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    NHK is a "big competition". SC was a "big competition". Nationals is a HUGE competition.

    4CC is right before the Olympics, so if you are going to the Olympics, you aren't going to 4CC due to time zone changes, timing, etc.

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    I'm hoping Gracie puts it all together soon because i think she gives the US a chance in the future to stand on the podium at the big competitions. I'm not sure how much better Ashley can get as she's about hit her peak and she just doesn't have the overall talent of Gracie. I just don't see Ashley as World championship material. Maybe i'm wrong. It all depends on who shows up at Worlds this year.

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