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Which American Men do you want on the Olympic Team?

Sara

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So glad I articulated your thoughts and that we're on the same page re Adam! yay! Have you listened to his interview on The Skating Lesson? He is wonderful in it and my love for him went up a new level after hearing it.

Yes I have! I feel the same, he is great!! :) I hope he'll skate in TEB next year (Finlandia Trophy would be even better haha).
 

Blades of Passion

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Given the current state of the U.S men it is best to look ahead and thus have 2 out of Dornbush, Brown, Farris, or Aaron on the team, whichever skates best at Nationals.

Whoever skates best at Nationals deserves to go. Of course, there is always disagreement about the scores. I hope Dornbush and Brown don't get lowballed. I won't give up on Dornbush even if he doesn't do well on the Grand Prix. His programs are the hardest of the Americans. He is going for multiple Quads, but with actual choreography, unlike Max Aaron.

And why would Rippon not be around in 2018? He is young.
 

Jammers

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Whoever skates best at Nationals deserves to go. Of course, there is always disagreement about the scores. I hope Dornbush and Brown don't get lowballed. I won't give up on Dornbush even if he doesn't do well on the Grand Prix. His programs are the hardest of the Americans. He is going for multiple Quads, but with actual choreography, unlike Max Aaron.

And why would Rippon not be around in 2018? He is young.
Rippon will be 28 and if he's not a contender at 24 he won't be at 28.
 

Blades of Passion

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That's a ridiculous assumption. Everyone progresses differently. Anyone who is in their 20's can potentially compete if they aren't injured.
 

Mrs. P

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Age of U.S. men contenders at the senior level (namely those in the U.S. International Selection Pool) at the time of Nationals, for the record:

Also including first year on senior circuit and highest nationals finish.

Jeremy Abbott: 28 (6/5/1985) - (1st - 2009, 2010, 2012)
Douglas Razanno: 25 (10/22/1988) - 2008 (5th-2012)
Stephen Carriere: 24 (6/15/1989) - 2007 (3rd -2008)
Adam Rippon: 24 (11/11/1989) - 2009 (2nd -2012)
Alexander Johnson: 23 (05/15/1990) - 2010 (7th-2013)
Grant Hochstein: 23 (07/16/1990) - 2010 (7th-2010)
Brandon Mroz: 23 (12/22/1990) - 2009 (2nd -2009)
Ross Miner: 22 (01/24/1991) -2011 - (W/D in 2010; 2nd-2013)
Richard Dornbush: 22 (08/27/1991) - 2010 (W/D in 2009; 2nd-2011)
Keegan Messing: 21 (01/23/1992) - 2010 (7th-2012)
Max Aaron: 21 (02/25/1992)- 2012 (1st- 2013)
Timothy Dolensky: 21 (07/18/1995) -2014 (he has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2012 at the junior level)
Jason Brown: 19 (12/15/1994) -2011 (8th - 2013)
Joshua Farris: 19 (1/6/1995) - 2011 (4th -2013)
Shotaro Omori: 18 (10/23/1995) - 2014 (has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2013 at the junior level)
 

Jammers

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That's a ridiculous assumption. Everyone progresses differently. Anyone who is in their 20's can potentially compete if they aren't injured.

If someone at 24 isn't a medal contender i don't see them suddenly becoming one at 28 when they are older and worn out.
 

Skater Boy

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Age of U.S. men contenders at the senior level (namely those in the U.S. International Selection Pool) at the time of Nationals, for the record:

Also including first year on senior circuit and highest nationals finish.

Jeremy Abbott: 28 (6/5/1985) - (1st - 2009, 2010, 2012)
Douglas Razanno: 25 (10/22/1988) - 2008 (5th-2012)

So is Evan Gold medal winner Lysacek not a contender??? Okay perhaps many feel is a pretender this year?
Stephen Carriere: 24 (6/15/1989) - 2007 (3rd -2008)
Adam Rippon: 24 (11/11/1989) - 2009 (2nd -2012)
Alexander Johnson: 23 (05/15/1990) - 2010 (7th-2013)
Grant Hochstein: 23 (07/16/1990) - 2010 (7th-2010)
Brandon Mroz: 23 (12/22/1990) - 2009 (2nd -2009)
Ross Miner: 22 (01/24/1991) -2011 - (W/D in 2010; 2nd-2013)
Richard Dornbush: 22 (08/27/1991) - 2010 (W/D in 2009; 2nd-2011)
Keegan Messing: 21 (01/23/1992) - 2010 (7th-2012)
Max Aaron: 21 (02/25/1992)- 2012 (1st- 2013)
Timothy Dolensky: 21 (07/18/1995) -2014 (he has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2012 at the junior level)
Jason Brown: 19 (12/15/1994) -2011 (8th - 2013)
Joshua Farris: 19 (1/6/1995) - 2011 (4th -2013)
Shotaro Omori: 18 (10/23/1995) - 2014 (has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2013 at the junior level)

Okay what about Evan OGM winner Lysacek? Right he is probably considered more of a pretender????
 

Mrs. P

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Okay what about Evan OGM winner Lysacek? Right he is probably considered more of a pretender????

Sorry, a case of out-of-sight/ out of mind type of thing.

Here's the updated list:
Evan Lysacek: 28 (6/4/1985) - 2001 (1st - 2007-2008)
Jeremy Abbott: 28 (6/5/1985) -2007 (1st - 2009, 2010, 2012)
Douglas Razanno: 25 (10/22/1988) - 2008 (5th-2012)
Stephen Carriere: 24 (6/15/1989) - 2007 (3rd -2008)
Adam Rippon: 24 (11/11/1989) - 2009 (2nd -2012)
Alexander Johnson: 23 (05/15/1990) - 2010 (7th-2013)
Grant Hochstein: 23 (07/16/1990) - 2010 (7th-2010)
Brandon Mroz: 23 (12/22/1990) - 2009 (2nd -2009)
Ross Miner: 22 (01/24/1991) -2011 - (W/D in 2010; 2nd-2013)
Richard Dornbush: 22 (08/27/1991) - 2010 (W/D in 2009; 2nd-2011)
Keegan Messing: 21 (01/23/1992) - 2010 (7th-2012)
Max Aaron: 21 (02/25/1992)- 2012 (1st- 2013)
Timothy Dolensky: 21 (07/18/1995) -2014 (he has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2012 at the junior level)
Jason Brown: 19 (12/15/1994) -2011 (8th - 2013)
Joshua Farris: 19 (1/6/1995) - 2011 (4th -2013)
Shotaro Omori: 18 (10/23/1995) - 2014 (has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2013 at the junior level)
 

wordsworthgirl

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Sorry, a case of out-of-sight/ out of mind type of thing.

Here's the updated list:
Evan Lysacek: 28 (6/4/1985) - 2001 (1st - 2007-2008)
Jeremy Abbott: 28 (6/5/1985) -2007 (1st - 2009, 2010, 2012)
Douglas Razanno: 25 (10/22/1988) - 2008 (5th-2012)
Stephen Carriere: 24 (6/15/1989) - 2007 (3rd -2008)
Adam Rippon: 24 (11/11/1989) - 2009 (2nd -2012)
Alexander Johnson: 23 (05/15/1990) - 2010 (7th-2013)
Grant Hochstein: 23 (07/16/1990) - 2010 (7th-2010)
Brandon Mroz: 23 (12/22/1990) - 2009 (2nd -2009)
Ross Miner: 22 (01/24/1991) -2011 - (W/D in 2010; 2nd-2013)
Richard Dornbush: 22 (08/27/1991) - 2010 (W/D in 2009; 2nd-2011)
Keegan Messing: 21 (01/23/1992) - 2010 (7th-2012)
Max Aaron: 21 (02/25/1992)- 2012 (1st- 2013)
Timothy Dolensky: 21 (07/18/1995) -2014 (he has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2012 at the junior level)
Jason Brown: 19 (12/15/1994) -2011 (8th - 2013)
Joshua Farris: 19 (1/6/1995) - 2011 (4th -2013)
Shotaro Omori: 18 (10/23/1995) - 2014 (has yet to qualify at the senior level; was 2nd in 2013 at the junior level)

Jeremy and Evan are one day apart?! Amazing.
 

Mrs. P

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Jeremy and Evan are one day apart?! Amazing.

Yes. But they had very different careers. Even was an fast-starter. He debuted at nationals at age 15 in 2001, but continued to compete at the junior level until the 2004 season. He debuted on the GP in the 2004-2005 season, winning two bronze medals and a surprise bronze at 2005 Worlds.

Jeremy is a late bloomer. It took him two tries to qualify at the novice level (6th in 2002) and two tries to make it on the junior level before winning silver at the junior level in 2004 and gold in 2005. He then failed to make sectionals at the senior level in 2005-2006 season (very competitive sectional field) and finally made it to nationals at the senior level in 2007. He debuted on the senior GP in 2007-2008, but got his first GP medals (gold at both Cup of China/GPF) the following season, his breakout season in 2008-2009, when he won his first national title.
 

Nena

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I would like for the Olympic team to be Jeremy Abbott and Alexander Johnson. Too bad Alex got injured. I guess we'll only see him at Nationals. I hope he continues after this season.
 

pangtongfan

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Whoever skates best at Nationals deserves to go. Of course, there is always disagreement about the scores. I hope Dornbush and Brown don't get lowballed. I won't give up on Dornbush even if he doesn't do well on the Grand Prix. His programs are the hardest of the Americans. He is going for multiple Quads, but with actual choreography, unlike Max Aaron.

And why would Rippon not be around in 2018? He is young.

Skaters dont typically skate in the eligible ranks until 28 or 29. The list of those who do are very short. Just try making one and you will see what I mean. That said Rippon could be one of those exceptions and still be competing at that age. He would be unlikely to be a contender at the World level by then though, when despite being a top U.S contender for about 5 years now, he has never been close to being one at the World level.
 

Skater Boy

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Pangtongfan is correct. In part because of money the costs and lack of financial compensation. I know some skaters, prominent worked the zamboni or Starbucks still a lot of them come from very blessed homes financially wise. then some like Chan had sponsors and the Chinese community help out considerably his dad is a lawyer but "only" makes I think $170,000 Cdn (there is some list where you can see what he actually makes - Lewis Chan. OTOH Sarah Hughes dad is a big time NY lawyer and his salary in US dollars would be triple maybe quadruple that and that is without one of his daughter's nasty flutzes lol. Tara Lipiniski's dad was I believe an oil executive and I think Sasha Cohen''s family had money too.
 

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In an interview published today on the Universal Sports website, Max Aaron -- with his usual respect and goodwill -- rattled off a few names of his competition to make Team USA for Sochi.
Abbott and Lysacek were the first ones whom Max mentioned. Then Miner and Farris. Max added, "The list goes on and on and on."

(Sorry, I forgot that GS does not allow links to Universal Sports. My original post that provided the interview link was diverted into a black hole ... :eek:hwell:)

ETA, I should have thanked A.H. Black and TanithandBenFan earlier for flagging the interview on FSU.​

Here's the updated list: ...

Thanks for all your data, Mrs. P. :)
 

Mrs. P

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In an interview published today on the Universal Sports website, Max Aaron -- with his usual respect and goodwill -- rattled off a few names of his competition to make Team USA for Sochi.
Abbott and Lysacek were the first ones whom Max mentioned. Then Miner and Farris. Max added, "The list goes on and on and on."

(Sorry, I forgot that GS does not allow links to Universal Sports. My original post that provided the interview link was diverted into a black hole ... :eek:hwell:)

Thanks for all your data, Mrs. P. :)

You're welcome. :)

It makes sense to me why he mentioned those names in particular first.

Abbott and Lysacek are past U.S. champions. And Lysacek, obviously, reigning OGM.

Miner and Farris were on the podium with him last year.
 

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You're welcome. :)

It makes sense to me why he mentioned those names in particular first.

Abbott and Lysacek are past U.S. champions. And Lysacek, obviously, reigning OGM.

Miner and Farris were on the podium with him last year.

Agree ... although it would not have surprised me either if fresh memories of Brown and Rippon had caused their names to roll off his tongue before Miner and Farris (the interview took place after Skate America).

And because some posts in this thread are quick to write off Abbott and Lysacek, I think it is notable (in a good way) that the reigning U.S. men's champ believes that they remain very much in the mix. :)

ETA, on second thought:
Maybe Max made a point of mentioning Miner and Farris -- to give them a friendly boost after their showings at Skate Canada International. Max taped the interview on Sunday, i.e., after their SCI results were known as well.​
 

wordsworthgirl

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Yes. But they had very different careers. Even was an fast-starter. He debuted at nationals at age 15 in 2001, but continued to compete at the junior level until the 2004 season. He debuted on the GP in the 2004-2005 season, winning two bronze medals and a surprise bronze at 2005 Worlds.

Jeremy is a late bloomer. It took him two tries to qualify at the novice level (6th in 2002) and two tries to make it on the junior level before winning silver at the junior level in 2004 and gold in 2005. He then failed to make sectionals at the senior level in 2005-2006 season (very competitive sectional field) and finally made it to nationals at the senior level in 2007. He debuted on the senior GP in 2007-2008, but got his first GP medals (gold at both Cup of China/GPF) the following season, his breakout season in 2008-2009, when he won his first national title.

You are the best, Mrs. P! Amazing your command over these numbers, statistics, and comparisons. I'm very grateful, and I'm sure the rest of us are too!
 
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