- Some of Max's hockey buddies from his time on the national squad went on to play in the NHL -- that's why I could not resist my friendly comment on your typo.
- Because of Max's relatively small size, his parents and he accepted that the NHL would not be in his future. But Max was scouted by colleges with Division I hockey teams, including the University of Michigan (his father's alma mater), where Max dreamed of playing.
- D-I hockey was a very realistic prospect for Max ... until his career ended when he broke his back. After being in a body cast for months, Max had to re-learn basic movements, such as walking, bending over, etc. He decided to concentrate on figure skating (which he had been juggling with hockey since boyhood). While still in high school, he moved to Colorado Springs to train, leaving most of his family behind in Arizona. The next year (IIRC), Max won junior nationals, and then he moved up to seniors.
- I think you will enjoy this really fun and impressive video montage of some of young Max's hockey action.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7NlB3CZGaE (2:33 in length)I know next to nothing about the sport (so I'm probably going to botch the terminology), but Max's tenacity and fearlessness amid much larger opponents are just magnificent even to my uneducated eye. My favorite play is when he ends up sort of passing to himself to score ... meaning that he passes to the right as he approaches the goal; then skates off to the left and darts behind the goal, scooting back around to the right to the "waiting" puck and shoots it into the goal.
Forgot to say that my current avatar happens to be based on a photo of Max in his hockey jersey.
Back to discussing the American men:
What I really should have said is that I don't see that Abbott is having a much more consistent season than Max.
And overall, I do not find the current landscape as discouraging for Max as you do. A million different comparisons could be made -- some in Max's favor, some not.
- Rippon has beaten Max overall twice this season, although Max beat Rippon in the FS at Skate America.
- Abbott has beaten Max once, although Max also won a GP bronze.
- Max beat Brown overall at Skate America, although Brown was well ahead in the SP.
- Max beat Farris in SLC, although it was early in the season.
FWIW, Max's 162+ in the FS is still the highest among the US men and that program still had a few errors, while Jeremy's 159+ was for a nearly-clean program. And they both have a GP bronze medal.
Max has the ability to reach 90+ TES while Jeremy has been in the low 80s at best.
Point is, I agree with golden411 that the data shows Max in both favorable and unfavorable perspectives. And in general, based on the data we have, Adam is the only one that has a far-and-above positive trending leading up to nationals. Max is not a sure thing, but he's still a contender for the team for sure.
Sadly with Ross out of TEB, we won't be able to see another data point for him before nationals.
Looking forward to seeing how Jason, Josh and Richard do in their second events!
The two I want on the US team would have to be Max and Adam. If there were three spots, I would have to put Jason Brown in that position. Max normally isn't amazing in the beginning of the season and I will really be shocked if he doesn't make the team. I think Abbott is a headcase and unreliable to an extent. I have always been a fan, but he hardly ever puts it together when it counts. Everyone else is just inconsistent altogether and I don't see Evan coming back.
Adam for sure. If one of Jeremy, Max or Jason also make it that'd be just fine too.
As always so stunningly useful to see the actual numbers.
"Who is it looking like so far…?" vs. "Who do we want to see" …hmmm
Out of the four of them, Max has the biggest BV in the FS with three quads, including one in the second half. His BV allows him to make a few mistakes, but not too many because he doesn't have the other areas to back him up. But if gets that 90+ TES, that will make a key difference.
Jason is great all-around, but he has to be absolutely perfect or make a minimal amount of mistakes. It's crazy to think that he could have scored 165.72 if he got that other axel (BV not accounting for any GOE). However, his non-jump elements are super strong, probably the strongest among the American men. He scored 22 points in his non-jump elements compared to 20.22 for Jeremy at NHK, who also got all level 4 elements.
Adam has been consistent throughout the season and he's been consistent in both segments. It looks like he is mastering the 4T at least, which will give him the edge over Jason if he's clean.
Jeremy is still a question mark. It's great he pulled out a clean program, but that's just one performance. Can he pull it off again at Nationals. If he does, the judges will reward him.
However, all bets are off if Josh and Richard impress at COR next week. Ross is also a question mark since we won't see him compete until nationals.
Ross is pretty much out of it at this point. I cant imagine anything he would do after all his poor performanes since last years Nationals would get him on the team unless it is a disaesterously skated Nationals. Richard and Josh have one last chance to impress like many others have already done at COR and they had better take it. I don't think the U.S judges will give someone the scores who hasn't shown something this season already, even if they skate very well at Nationals.
Updated, revised and reposted for Trophee Eric Bompard! In addition, I am changing the scoring tracker to give points to the top 5 to show a bit more nuance in the scoring.
1.) These four men were the only ones to receive any points, so it's pretty clear who the contenders are at this point. Of course all bets are off if Richard and Josh do well at COR.
2.) Jason and Adam look the most consistent so far. Jason has done well in the SP. He did poorly in the FS at Skate America, but did much better at TEB and I think we're seeing an upward trend. Adam has done well all-around. Jeremy has high PCS overall in his favor, but consistency keeps him from scoring higher. Max is the opposite, he has TES to help him, but PCS is lacking and consistency is also an issue.
Anyone feel I should account for Senior B scores as well? I can, if you guys feel it would provide some better trending....
****BREAK DOWN OF SCORES***8
Jason Brown 243.09 (Trophee Eric Bompard)
Adam Rippon 241.24 (Skate America)
Max Aaron 238.36 (Skate America)
Jeremy Abbott 237.41 (NHK Trophy)
Adam Rippon 233.71 (NHK Trophy)
Jason Brown 231.03 (Skate America)
Max Aaron 223.35 (NHK Trophy)
Richard Dornbush 218.57 (Cup of China)
Joshua Farris 216.72 (Skate Canada)
Jeremy Abbott 215.95 (Skate Canada)
Ross Miner 196.89 (Skate Canada)
Jason Brown 84.77 (TEB)
Jason Brown 83.78 (SA)
Adam Rippon 82.25 (NHK)
Adam Rippon 80.26 (SA)
Jeremy Abbott: 78.78 (NHK)
Max Aaron: 76.21 (NHK)
Max Aaron 75.91 (SA)
Jeremy Abbott 74.58 (SC)
Richard Dornbush 72.58 (COC)
Joshua Farris 69.14 (SC)
Ross Miner 66.71 (SC)
Short Program TES
Jason Brown 45.98 (TEB)
Jason Brown 44.85 (SA)
Adam Rippon 44.80 (NHK)
Adam Rippon 43.23 (SA)
Max Aaron 41.37 (SA)
Max Aaron 40.65 (NHK)
Jeremy Abbott: 38.82 (NHK)
Richard Dornbush 36.47 (COC)
Jeremy Abbott 35.30 (SC)
Josh Farris 33.11 (SC)
Ross Miner 32.15 (SC)
Short Program PCS
Jeremy Abbott 39.96 (NHK)
Jeremy Abbott 39.28 (SC)
Jason Brown 38.93 (SA)
Jason Brown 38.79 (TEB)
Adam Rippon 37.85 (NHK)
Adam Rippon 37.03 (SA)
Ross Miner 36.56 (SC)
Richard Dornbush 36.11 (COC)
Max Aaron 36.56 (NHK)
Josh Farris 36.03 (SC)
Max Aaron 34.68 (SA)
Max Aaron: 162.45 (SA)
Adam Rippon: 160.98 (SA)
Jeremy Abbott 158.63 (NHK)
Jason Brown: 158.32 (TEB)
Adam Rippon: 151.46
Joshua Farris: 147.58 (SC)
Jason Brown: 147.25 (SA)
Max Aaron: 147.14 (NHK)
Richard Dornbush: 145.99 (COC)
Jeremy Abbott: 141.37 (SC)
Ross Miner: 130.18 (SC)
Free Skate TES
Max Aaron: 90.47
Adam Rippon: 83.01
Jeremy Abbott: 78.25
Jason Brown: 78.20
Max Aaron: 78.20
Richard Dornbush 76.61
Joshua Farris: 74.80
Adam Rippon 73.60
Jason Brown: 68.69
Jeremy Abbot: 65.59
Ross Miner: 60.54
Free Skate PCS
Adam Rippon: 82.08 (SA)
Jeremy Abbott: 80.38 (NHK)
Jason Brown: 80.12 (TEB)
Jason Brown: 79.56 (SA)
Adam Rippon: 77.86 (NHK)
Jeremy Abbott: 77.78 (SC)
Joshua Farris: 73.78
Max Aaron: 72.98
Richard Dornbush 70.38
Ross Miner: 69.64
No way Ross Miner is making the team.
I just don't see Max making the team at this point- having the quads planned means nothing if he can't execute them. and he's only executed one- very shaky- quad in major competitions this season.