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    Quote Originally Posted by Amei View Post
    Jason Brown- could he medal- probably not, but he's very exciting to watch. And I don't think Evan will go, it reminds me of Sasha trying to come back for the Vancouver Olympics.
    If it is a messy event, which an Olympics often is, a clean Jason could get the bronze perhaps. It is atleast as likely as Aaron or Abbott I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    If it is a messy event, which an Olympics often is, a clean Jason could get the bronze perhaps. It is atleast as likely as Aaron or Abbott I would say.
    I agree with you 100%!

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    Here are the rankings of the U.S. Men on the ISU Season's Best list:

    Overall:
    #7: Jason Brown (243.09)
    #8: Adam Rippon (241.24)
    #10: Max Aaron (238.36)
    #11: Jeremy Abbott (237.41)
    #17: Nathan Chen (218.62) -- he's still doing juniors nationally though.
    #19: Richard Dornbush (218.57)
    #21: Joshua Farris (216.72)
    #40: Ross Miner (196.89)
    #50: Shotaro Omori (185.15) -- Did JGP but competing in seniors nationally

    Short Program:
    #8: Jason Brown (84.77)
    #9: Adam Rippon (82.25)
    #14 Jeremy Abbott (78.78)
    #18: Max Aaron (76.21)
    #21: Nathan Chen (74.22)
    #24: Richard Dornbush (72.58)
    #30: Shotaro Omori (70.58)
    #34: Joshua Farris (69.14)
    #40: Ross Miner (66.71)

    Free Program:
    #6: Max Aaron (162.45)
    #7: Adam Rippon (160.98)
    #8: Jeremy Abbott (158.63)
    #9: Jason Brown (158.32)
    #14: Joshua Farris (147.58)
    #17: Richard Dornbush (145.99)
    #19: Nathan Chen (144.40)
    #35: Ross Miner (130.18)
    #62: Shotoro Omori (112.57)

    Basically the top 4 in all cases is Jason, Adam, Max and Jeremy in some order. However, we'll see if Josh and Richard can move up the list.

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    I want Adam to win Nationals and Jason to take silver. I find max unwatchable, and why did they mess with his eyebrows and hair. UHG! With no quad Jason is way down the list but he at least can perform well. He has two great Ward programs. I adore Adam-he is genuinely artistic-no faking. I guess we wont be seeing Evan again. He's such a great competitor, too bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I want Adam to win Nationals and Jason to take silver. I find max unwatchable, and why did they mess with his eyebrows and hair. UHG! With no quad Jason is way down the list but he at least can perform well. He has two great Ward programs. I adore Adam-he is genuinely artistic-no faking. I guess we wont be seeing Evan again. He's such a great competitor, too bad.
    I too think it would be so wonderful for beautiful and gifted Adam to finally break through and become National Champion.

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    I was surprised to see Jason slightly higher in the ranking. I think Adam Rippon is the John Curry of his day. Chan and Dai have great elegance, but Adam is very special. He moves so beautifully, naturally. I do not find him flamboyant, but a true to himself artist. I hope podium is Adam, Jason, Jeremy in that order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I was surprised to see Jason slightly higher in the ranking. I think Adam Rippon is the John Curry of his day. Chan and Dai have great elegance, but Adam is very special. He moves so beautifully, naturally. I do not find him flamboyant, but a true to himself artist. I hope podium is Adam, Jason, Jeremy in that order.
    I agree that Adam is very unique and special. and I want the podium to be those 3 too! Josh Farris for Pewter.

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    Max and Jeremy--if they go 1-2 at Nationals. Adam is a beautiful skater, and I would be happy if he qualified at Nationals, but I don't think he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    If it is a messy event, which an Olympics often is, a clean Jason could get the bronze perhaps. It is atleast as likely as Aaron or Abbott I would say.
    You're joking right? The guys would have to bomb worse than Worlds. I love Jason and even without a quad his programs are Olympics worthy in their choreography/performance... but the stars would have to align and thensome for him to even make the top 5 let alone earn a medal. Although I suppose we have seen many surprise bronze medalists.

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    Jason can get about 88 in the SP and low 170's in the LP. It's not improbable for him to make the Olympic podium if he skates his best. Nobody is really consistent and nobody besides Chan will be held up if they don't actually deliver.

    Men's skating is very fluid these days in terms of competition results...aside from Chan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Jason can get about 88 in the SP and low 170's in the LP. It's not improbable for him to make the Olympic podium if he skates his best. Nobody is really consistent and nobody besides Chan will be held up if they don't actually deliver.

    Men's skating is very fluid these days in terms of competition results...aside from Chan.
    Yes, that is what I think as well, and why I said I would give him a chance of a surprise medal (wouldn't expect it by any means, but could see it happening).

    Some people exaggerate the quad value. Worked into your program, with everything else maximized, it usually amounts only about an extra 10 points in the long and an extra 5 in the short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    Jason can get about 88 in the SP and low 170's in the LP. It's not improbable for him to make the Olympic podium if he skates his best. Nobody is really consistent and nobody besides Chan will be held up if they don't actually deliver.
    How about Daisuke at the 2013 Worlds? How about Kostner and Mao and the Germans at 2013 Worlds? How about Plushenko's PCS at Euros 2013? Fernandez has also received favourable PCS with lacklustre performances this year. All the top skaters get high PCS even when they fail to deliver.

    As for an 88 point SP, that is unlikely as Brown will likely not earn 4 points extra PCS (from 38 to 42) than what he has earned. That would be pretty much the same PCS as what Hanyu earned for his TEB short program. A low 170 point FS is barely possible for him but still questionable. If his 1A at TEB were tripled he would get 7.4 points more and if with good GOE about 8.5 points more. That gets him to 166.82. If you define low 170s as 171.5 points (between 170 and 173), that's 4.68 points higher PCS he needs - essentially 85 points which is highly unlikely. Though I suppose 170 on the nose with 83.5ish PCS is possible. But with his 3A inconsistency I'm skeptical of him being able to skate that perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    How about Daisuke at the 2013 Worlds?
    LOL you mean his great 6th place finish. If that is your best example of so called holding up of non Chan skaters, then it only reaffirms of others make mistakes (besides Chan), someone like Brown skating great can medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I want Adam to win Nationals and Jason to take silver. I find max unwatchable, and why did they mess with his eyebrows and hair. UHG! With no quad Jason is way down the list but he at least can perform well. He has two great Ward programs. I adore Adam-he is genuinely artistic-no faking. I guess we wont be seeing Evan again. He's such a great competitor, too bad.
    I couldn't agree more. I do find Max unwatchable. That was a great way of saying it. I've never enjoyed his programs, don't like that style of skating. I'm sure he's a very nice young man and I don't wish him ill will but I also don't wish him to represent the US at the Olys. I think he'll be limited by his performance scores. We're of the same mind again Skateluvr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    LOL you mean his great 6th place finish. If that is your best example of so called holding up of non Chan skaters, then it only reaffirms of others make mistakes (besides Chan), someone like Brown skating great can medal.
    He skated terribly and ended up 6th. Any skater who didn't get his PCS and did his technical performances wouldn't even be sitting in the top 10. His FS had the 13th best TES score and 4th best PCS score (including 3rd best performance/execution), his SP had the 7th best TES and 2nd best PCS.

    Not to mention I said other examples as recent as last year of skaters held up and medalling due to being a top skater.

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