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Thread: The Battle for Bronze - Ice Dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    .... Whichever of W&P and C&L dont get the Oly bronze will be given the World bronze as a consolation prize, unless one of the retiring D&W or V&M dont go (quite possible) in which case both will probably medal there.
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    .... I doubt either V&M or D&W will miss Worlds, since I don't think they'll be satisfied with just 2 World titles given their ability to win multiple ones. ....
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    I think I read somewhere that V/M were done after Sochi. I just assumed that meant they weren't going to worlds, but I can't remember where I saw that.
    At the time of Worlds in London, many assumed that it would be Virtue/Moir's last. (The hometown location would have been all the more meaningful for them in that case.)
    IIRC, I do not think V/M officially gave any outright confirmation or announcement, but I do not think that they discouraged the perception either.

    Whether or not V/M changed their minds and have been sending a different signal more recently, I do not know. (Can't tell whether trains read something more current ... around the time of Skate Canada International, perhaps??)

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    Ziggy, that was such a great interview! Those that think of Igor as the evil opponent of good choreography should read it, because his method of working with students who already come with their own choreography is very interesting. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this FD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    It will be one of Weaver & Poje or Cappellini & Lanotte. I guarantee it. Pechelat & Bourzat are on the way down, and home ice wont be able to save Bobrova & Soloviev and their yuck programs this year. I think it is more likely going to be W&P than C&L but we will see. Whichever of W&P and C&L dont get the Oly bronze will be given the World bronze as a consolation prize, unless one of the retiring D&W or V&M dont go (quite possible) in which case both will probably medal there.
    I wouldn't be so sure. D/S were able to win bronze over B/A with those atrocious programs in Vancouver. So I would imagine B/S would get the same advantage. Plus, the only real shot at a medal is Pairs with V/T and the Team Event. Russia will want medals in at least 2 disciplines, and thanks to the lovely subjectivity of GOE/PCS in ice dance, the Russians could easily push a bronze win for B/S. As long as B/S stay on their feet the bronze is theirs, IMO.

    Sorry, but I can't imagine the ice dance podium getting 2 Canadians and 1 American team, and shutting out all the European teams. Even if W/P deserve the bronze. C/L and P/B aren't contenders in my mind... they will only win bronze if W/P and B/S both mess up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    Thus, the battle for bronze is more interesting to me. As of now, Cappellini & Lanotte, Bobrova & Soloviev, Weaver & Poje, Pechalat & Bourzat, Ilinykh & Katsalopov are the major contenders. The momentum favored B&S and C&L last season.
    Ice dance potentially will be very exciting to watch when the Olympics arrive -- hoping everyone will skate their best, no disasters!

    Right now, I'm hoping W/P (with C/L a close second) will pull off the win for the bronze. Yet for some reason I sense it may end up being B/S who get it; plus I'm not sure if Russia would be happy with another North American sweep as happened at 2011 Worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure. D/S were able to win bronze over B/A with those atrocious programs in Vancouver. So I would imagine B/S would get the same advantage. Plus, the only real shot at a medal is Pairs with V/T and the Team Event. Russia will want medals in at least 2 disciplines, and thanks to the lovely subjectivity of GOE/PCS in ice dance, the Russians could easily push a bronze win for B/S. As long as B/S stay on their feet the bronze is theirs, IMO.

    Sorry, but I can't imagine the ice dance podium getting 2 Canadians and 1 American team, and shutting out all the European teams. Even if W/P deserve the bronze. C/L and P/B aren't contenders in my mind... they will only win bronze if W/P and B/S both mess up.
    The judges allowed a North American Sweep at the 2011 Worlds and that was the Shibutanis (lol). I know they got super lucky with P/B's fall but they could have given the bronze to a Russian team on home ice, not saying they deserved it (IMO W/P were totally robbed of the bronze that year) but with P/B falling they could have done almost anything without controversy, and they were 6th and 7th.

    I mentioned this in the other thread but the possiability of a mere bronze in ice dancing isnt such a big deal for the Russians they are going to politik heavily for, knowing there is absolutely no hope of the gold. Making sure V&T win gold is their biggest priority. Making sure they win a Team medal, preferably the gold, is a bigger priority.

    I totally disagree those are their only medal shots. Barazova & Larionov most definitely have a real shot at atleast the bronze in the pairs. I dont see how you could dispute that. If there was any myth Duhamel & Radford had a lock on the bronze (which I never for a moment believed) that has exploded already. I actually expect if B&L skate decently on home ice they will be given the bronze or even silver if the Germans have problems, to give Russia 2 teams on the podium. That will be of more interest to the Russians than maybe an ice dance bronze.

    Regardless of how strong his medal chances really are, if Plushenko make it to Sochi they will invest heavily in poliking for him, and way more than they ever would for B/S. Julia Lipnitskaia definitely has a shot at a medal if she keeps on the course she is on now, and Russia would love to get back on the podium in ladies, especialy with Radiaonov also age eligible next year. B/S and ice dancing will be an afterthought for the Russians. You will see the Russian dancers score higher in the team event than the individual though, mark my words.

    Lastly Domnina & Shabalin are not a good example. They were the reigning World Champions. A reigning World Champion has never missed the podium in ice dancing at the Olympics. Anyway I wasnt impressed with Belbin & Agosto at all in Vancouver either. I would have given the bronze to Faiella & Scali in Vancouver, but that was never giong to happen. Bobrova & Soloviev are in no way of the stature of Domnina & Shabalin, with that kind of international rep value.

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    Sorry I should clarify, I know about 2011 worlds but thats just worlds...in the Olympics I foresee a European team (and likely B/S) shutting out W/P because ice dance is the one discipline you can get away with favoured placements PCS/GOE due to the lack of errors. And as far as politicking goes, the Russian fed would have to still hope for a good skate from Plushenko/Julia to justify medal wins whereas B/S simply cleanly executing their programs (no matter how bad the programs are) will be enough for a bronze. Its not a certainty, but home ice advantage in ice dance can make ridiculous things happen... Remember Fusarpoli/Margaglio winning the CD in Torino?

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    If Russia wants to stop a North American sweep then they need to get better simple as that. I notice they never complained when Russia was dominating Ice Dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I would consider I/K winning a medal in Sochi a huge long shot too, but they are by far more likely than the Shibutanis. The Shibutanis have the same chance as a team from Australia of winning the bronze in Sochi right now, as in exactly 0. They will be in a dogfight with Hubbel & Donohue to even make the Olympic team, and my gut right now is telling me they wont. Yes the Shibutanis beat I/K at Worlds but I/K had a very weak competition there while the Shibutanis had their best one and I/K still had much higher PCS. When I/K are at their best they beat C/L and nearly B/S at Europeans last year. The Shibutanis were just at their best at Skate America and were absolutely trounced by the Italians who they clearly arent competitive with at this point, and eked out 3rd place over H/B.

    I agree I/K odds are only about equal with a team like Chock & Bates though.

    Actually, Worlds wasn't that great for the Shibutanis either, as far as the FD goes. They did decent in the SD, and were a little over a point behind W/P and less than a point than C/B.

    But they did quite poorly in the FD, finishing 9th behind the Zhiganshina/Gazsi. Basically, they lost a lot of points on levels on their step sequences.

    I don't think the Shibs were at their best at SA either. They had a nice SD visually, but they lost five points to C/L on low levels on Finnstep. FD was better with levels, but there is still room for improvement as far as +GOE.

    That said, I don't expect them to in contention for bronze at this point, but I don't think it's a doom and gloom season for them either. They seem to be focused on getting the levels and statistically, that's what helps a dance couple stay in the mix of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Remember Fusarpoli/Margaglio winning the CD in Torino?
    Their CD was actually very good and could have been justified being put into 2nd place behind N/K. Their OD and FD skills by that point were not up to the other teams, even without the fall in the OD, and the judges could do nothing to save them there. It isnt shocking the 2002 Olympic bronze medalists (and 2001 World Champions) could come back and be somewhat competitive 4 years in a field where the highest placed team from the 2002 Olympics contending was 7th in 2002, and where the 2006 gold medal favorites were only 9th in 2002.

    We obviously wont agree so we will have to just wait and see. I totally disagree all B/S have to do is stay on their feet and the bronze is theirs. I fully expect if W/P skate to their full potential (which they sometimes dont do in major moments) they will win the bronze, regardless what B/S do.

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    D/S dominated the Tango Romantica CD all season long. They beat F/S in Euro due to the strength of their compulsory dance. They beat both D/W and V/M in this phase.

    B/S aren't the same level. They can't even come close to D/W and V/M in anything.

    I think D/S were a bit lucky that they got the bronze in 2010, but unlucky that he was crippled. At their best, the fight for Gold would not have been just between D/W and V/M.

    Again, B/S at their best is near C/L and W/P at their best, and slightly below P/B.

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    Davis & White especialy were very lucky in 2010. Domnina & Shabalin injured and not at their best, and Delobel & Schoenfelder coming off a long layoff due to her injury, then her pregnancy. I dont think they would have even been on the podium in Vancouver otherwise. At that point they were not that great yet, and artistically were very immature.

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    Bobrova & Soloviev meet Pechalat & Bouzat this weekend in China. Who wins here may be favored going into Euros. The Italians are also a threat for the European title. Olympics are all about rewarding skaters for their career achievements. Whichever team wins Euros will be a major contender for the Olympic podium, so I wouldn’t count P&B out. Don’t forget that France may also have a tech specialist on the Olympic Dance panel as well as a judge.

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    http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-s...153951064.html

    Ilya Averbukh: "Bobrova and Soloviev can fight for second place in Sochi" he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-s...153951064.html

    Ilya Averbukh: "Bobrova and Soloviev can fight for second place in Sochi" he said.
    I wonder who he thinks B/S could displace for the silver medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    http://www.sports.ru/others/figure-s...153951064.html

    Ilya Averbukh: "Bobrova and Soloviev can fight for second place in Sochi" he said.
    Who is Ilia Averbukh? Talk is cheap, let's get to the ice!!

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